DeNoise and B&W Conversion
Apr 22, 2018 17:07:33 #
When should a photo, that is going to be converted to b&w be denoised? I was in the process of this today and used Topaz DeNoise on the original color photo, and then started doing the conversion in NIK Silver. When the photo came up in NIK I noticed a lot of grain, more than was in the original color. I sent it in b&w form back to Topaz Denoise to run it again and the noise was so bad I couldn't get rid of it without ruining the image. To begin with, the noise was not that bad as it was shot at ISO200. So, is there a best time to run a denoise if you are going to convert to b&w? Another thing I notice in the conversion is that after converting to b&w and saving the image as a jpeg it looks fine. But then, when I try to send the photo to another site such as flickr it appears that it has been oversharpened by a great deal. Any ideas or advice? Thanks.
Apr 22, 2018 18:12:40 #
Will,
when using Nik Silver Effex Pro you need to be aware of the applications. You have a few dozen presets that when combined with the different specific adjustments can render several hundred different affects for one single file. If your doing the simple Default to B&W { Very Top selection in the Presets, called, Neutral } it will not apply any noise, tonal or film type of adjustment to said file, it simply desaturates the photo. Now that's if it's in the default setting.. You can make adjustments to all of the presets..
when using Nik Silver Effex Pro you need to be aware of the applications. You have a few dozen presets that when combined with the different specific adjustments can render several hundred different affects for one single file. If your doing the simple Default to B&W { Very Top selection in the Presets, called, Neutral } it will not apply any noise, tonal or film type of adjustment to said file, it simply desaturates the photo. Now that's if it's in the default setting.. You can make adjustments to all of the presets..
Apr 22, 2018 18:47:15 #
martinfisherphoto wrote:
Will, br when using Nik Silver Effex Pro you nee... (show quote)
I just checked on NIK and I see nothing that says neutral. I see the list of presets but I cannot find anything that says neutral. The very top of my NIK Silver Efex says Preset Library.??? I also don't see the default setting. Where is that? Thanks.
Apr 22, 2018 18:56:15 #
martinfisherphoto wrote:
Will, br when using Nik Silver Effex Pro you nee... (show quote)
Under "film types" I see a neutral but that is where I had it set to begin with.
Apr 22, 2018 19:07:15 #
Load your photo into Nik Silver Efex. Now you'll see a column to the left of your photo. In this column is all the different presets for silver efex. Each Preset has a name, the top one is Named, Neutral, at least in my version. Click on that version and see how your photo looks.....
Now if you look to the right side of your photo you will see all of the specific/global adjustments you can make in your photos.. If you look at the Top Bar in Each Section, like Film Types you will see a Back Arrow/comma with arrow on the end/ to the Far Right top of each section, if you click on this back arrow it will take that section back to default.. I should mention lots of tutorials on YouTube that will get you familiar with the software.
Now if you look to the right side of your photo you will see all of the specific/global adjustments you can make in your photos.. If you look at the Top Bar in Each Section, like Film Types you will see a Back Arrow/comma with arrow on the end/ to the Far Right top of each section, if you click on this back arrow it will take that section back to default.. I should mention lots of tutorials on YouTube that will get you familiar with the software.
will47 wrote:
I just checked on NIK and I see nothing that says neutral. I see the list of presets but I cannot find anything that says neutral. The very top of my NIK Silver Efex says Preset Library.??? I also don't see the default setting. Where is that? Thanks.
Apr 22, 2018 19:23:47 #
martinfisherphoto wrote:
Load your photo into Nik Silver Efex. Now you'll s... (show quote)
My version is as follows: NIK 2000-2015 Ver 2.2.24 x64 (v1.2.11). I've used this software many times but this is the first time, that I remember, that I used a denoise program on the color version. That is why this conversation started. In any case, that is my version number and I have no preset named neutral. ?? Don't know.
Apr 22, 2018 19:38:41 #
Forgive if this is a silly question: have you tried skipping the denoise step entirely on this pic if "not bad at ISO 200" ?
Regarding Nik, though Google no longer owns it, there are still some help topics online + a bunch of videos on You-Tube. The screen print in the first page here
https://support.google.com/nikcollection/answer/6095365?hl=en&ref_topic=2991541
shows the "neutral" pre-set. Above that, in the library section, does yours look the same as in the article? Do you have "ALL" selected? Note that the help topic continues beyond the page I've linked (blue button down the page).
Regarding Nik, though Google no longer owns it, there are still some help topics online + a bunch of videos on You-Tube. The screen print in the first page here
https://support.google.com/nikcollection/answer/6095365?hl=en&ref_topic=2991541
shows the "neutral" pre-set. Above that, in the library section, does yours look the same as in the article? Do you have "ALL" selected? Note that the help topic continues beyond the page I've linked (blue button down the page).
Apr 22, 2018 19:50:09 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
Forgive if this is a silly question: have you trie... (show quote)
I am going to exactly that: no denoise to start. I have "ALL" selected and mine looks exact. But I see nothing that says neutral.
Apr 22, 2018 19:59:25 #
My first question would be why would you need denoise for an image shot at ISO 200?
Apr 22, 2018 20:18:01 #
OK make this simply, tell me the name of the first couple of presets in your Silver efex...........
will47 wrote:
I am going to exactly that: no denoise to start. I have "ALL" selected and mine looks exact. But I see nothing that says neutral.
Apr 22, 2018 20:30:00 #
martinfisherphoto wrote:
OK make this simply, tell me the name of the first couple of presets in your Silver efex...........
Preset Library
All Classic
Apr 22, 2018 20:33:51 #
martinfisherphoto wrote:
OK make this simply, tell me the name of the first couple of presets in your Silver efex...........
Just solved my problem...I feel really stupid
Apr 22, 2018 20:35:35 #
Apr 23, 2018 06:58:27 #
it could be the preset you chose has applied grain. If so adjust the slider to zero grain.
Apr 23, 2018 13:59:32 #
will47 wrote:
When should a photo, that is going to be converted... (show quote)
I do it this way. To me it makes good sense to start with the cleanest image you can. I use either Topaz DeNoise, NIK Dfine2, or the sharpen button in ACR. Which one I choose depends on how I feel that day.
PS. Always keep your image at 100% or more. Makes it much easier to see the effect you are getting.
http://blog.topazlabs.com/image-noise-reduction-workflow-tip/
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