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Mar 12, 2018 16:52:03   #
Rick Fox
 
Your model in #1 is stunning and the lighting (rim, etc) is excellent! However I do a have a beef with your composition... The image is WAY too busy. You have arms running in all directions, fingers, and a blouse that is distracting as heck. My eyes are moving all over the image when they should be riveted on the model's eyes. May I suggest you reshoot and ask model to wear a solid, primary colored blouse with a plain collar... or scoop or vee neck. Just sayin...

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Mar 12, 2018 17:34:57   #
Canpic78
 
As an amateur photographer, I tried a few indoor portraits without using a lot of expensive equipment. My Canon DSLR Rebel T5i, one 320EX Speedlite, one Tungsten clip on light with a 100w bulb, tripod, gorillapod, a bedsheet hung over a shower curtain rod for backdrop, several white foam reflectors, and natural daylight through south facing windows. The mature female model had very little makeup & no hairstyling. We used a lei & flower from Hawaii for a prop. No Photoshop. I used Windows 10 for further processing. They turned out OK, but the model does not want them posted on the internet. It was a very interesting first lesson in portraits!

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Mar 12, 2018 17:55:54   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Canpic78 wrote:
As an amateur photographer, I tried a few indoor portraits without using a lot of expensive equipment. My Canon DSLR Rebel T5i, one 320EX Speedlite, one Tungsten clip on light with a 100w bulb, tripod, gorillapod, a bedsheet hung over a shower curtain rod for backdrop, several white foam reflectors, and natural daylight through south facing windows. The mature female model had very little makeup & no hairstyling. We used a lei & flower from Hawaii for a prop. No Photoshop. I used Windows 10 for further processing. They turned out OK, but the model does not want them posted on the internet. It was a very interesting first lesson in portraits!
As an amateur photographer, I tried a few indoor p... (show quote)


At least you got her to pose. Getting my wife to pose is like pulling teeth. The light "hurts her eyes."

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Mar 12, 2018 19:34:58   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
eshlemania wrote:
Thanks so much for this thread. I have been lurking, but you and your topic have pulled me in. :D:D


LoL, e, welcome to the Hog!!!
Hey, that someone can get excited enough about a post to go from lurking in the shadows and into the light just to post, makes me excited too!!!
Feel free to participate!
That pesky thing called work has been in the way all day...., gotta take that job and shove it!!! LoL
Now to catch up on what’s gone on!!!
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Mar 12, 2018 20:46:04   #
eshlemania Loc: Northern Indiana, USA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
LoL, e, welcome to the Hog!!!
Hey, that someone can get excited enough about a post to go from lurking in the shadows and into the light just to post, makes me excited too!!!
Feel free to participate!
That pesky thing called work has been in the way all day...., gotta take that job and shove it!!! LoL
Now to catch up on what’s gone on!!!
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Thanks. :D:D

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Mar 12, 2018 21:31:23   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
JPL wrote:
Very good pictures. Where did you find them


LoL, My preferred go to site is 500px. Places like Facebook have such low resolution that the pics there aren’t worth STEALING!!!
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Mar 12, 2018 23:00:21   #
davefales Loc: Virginia
 
bengbeng wrote:
I'm not a professional photographer , but working on it, and always value comments from time-served pros. Not going to attempt to define the box for now.
Here's another of cut out type portraits that maybe works better (and I think this one shows more of the personality of the subject).
Excuse the watermark / signature, older pic and I've stopped adding that now.


P 4: That's really good.

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Mar 12, 2018 23:23:56   #
AnthonyM Loc: Pasadena, CA
 
Here are some portraits that are out of the box. Lighting was different (obviously) from one to the next. I like portraits that show a fraction of the person's identity.
I really enjoyed working with these people.

Hope I'm not too late to hear what the big gunners at the hog have to say...


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Mar 13, 2018 00:58:06   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
AnthonyM wrote:
Here are some portraits that are out of the box. Lighting was different (obviously) from one to the next. I like portraits that show a fraction of the person's identity.
I really enjoyed working with these people.

Hope I'm not too late to hear what the big gunners at the hog have to say...


They are fine photos, but what is out of the box about these? Unless of course each person actually stepped out of a box prior to being photographed.

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Mar 13, 2018 01:45:38   #
Red Sky At Night
 
Rolk wrote:
Like Sharpshooter, I really like "tight" shots that emphasis the eyes of the person. Unlike Sharpshooter, all of my "portraits" are taken in a more natural setting, which can add a variety of issues, such as lighting, backgrounds, etc.

I did professional wedding photography for years, working for three different photography studios in the York, PA area as well as Philadelphia. (I hate that drive.) During that time, I also did "professional" studio work, but found that I didn't enjoy that quite as much.

I've been criticized for too tight of a crop, but I think in some cases it can play well.

I recognize that I have to do a better job with lighting, and being able to tone down some backgrounds in post processing.

I hope these examples fit the scope of this "discussion." Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Like Sharpshooter, I really like "tight"... (show quote)

I really enjoyed the shot of your #3 granddaughter. There is so much expression. And the close crop on that one doesn’t bother me at all. It’s all about her personality.

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Mar 13, 2018 01:47:39   #
Red Sky At Night
 
bengbeng wrote:
This is my take on an almost 'out of the box portrait' :+)

I tried a couple of ways to light this and eventually used a pop up macro light disc ( can't think of a better way to describe it )

Hope it fits the theme.

This is a very cool shot. I never would have thought of anything like this.

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Mar 13, 2018 02:10:15   #
Rolk Loc: South Central PA
 
Red Sky At Night wrote:
I really enjoyed the shot of your #3 granddaughter. There is so much expression. And the close crop on that one doesn’t bother me at all. It’s all about her personality.


Thank you so much, Red Sky! I really, really appreciate that. That is the one "portrait" (if I'm allowed to call it that ) that I got "taken to task" for on one of my very first posts.

I've learned several things since then; first, everybody is entitled to their own opinion (ok, I knew that one), and secondly some people on here can be, um...well, let's just say some people think their opinion is God's word.

Again, thank you for taking the time to view my pictures and especially for leaving such a nice comment.

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Mar 13, 2018 02:33:11   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I am a traditional portrait photographer- have been at it, professionally, for a long time. Although my work is comparatively conservative, I am always interested in other approaches. This is what attracted me to this thread, that is, the “out of the box” preface.

Thing is, I waited for more folks to contribute to see what it up but I haven't seen that much that is all that “out of the box”. In fact, most of it rather traditional even classical. Some of it is kinda old fashioned or retro- nothin' wrong with that! There are a few images that are novel and some that are more in the category of candid family shots. I don't think that masks and cutouts make for particularity effective portraits- just my opinion.

Composition is composition regardless of the theme or content of the image, whether the subject is traditional, exotic, sensual, cute, or even bizarre. There are elements of posing, lighting and composition that always work well and others that are not as effective, distorted or awkward- regards of style or theme. Oftentimes, breaking a traditional concept makes an image more exciting or adds an element of tension.

So...when you say “out of the box” what is the comparison to “staying within the box”? What is the BOX? Is traditional portraiture perceived as boring, stiff, artificial, cookie-cutter or thought of as work like mass produced school pictures? Does it have to be that way? I am not asking theses questions be confrontational or start an unpleasant exchange. I feel theses are legitimate questions in a thread like this.
I am a traditional portrait photographer- have bee... (show quote)


Ed, welcome, I'm glad you showed up. I've been pretty busy all day but let me clarify a few things.
First, we have ALL ability levels here. From absolute beginners to seasoned pros like yourself and everything in between!!
SOOO, out of the box is gonna mean very different things to different people, so we are not gonna ever have a consensus.
The purpose of this post is not to define it, but merely to get anybody that participates to realize that there are different ways of shooting. As we improve our BOX changes. Our own box never stays the same and we just keep chasing it!
Kinda like the special effects in movies, they get more out of the box with each new movie. So if the seed can be planted that there is a more creative shot to take or a new technique to try, that for us is our box, or out of it.
For sure we've already seen that one persons box is something you may have shot 40 years ago.
I'm not looking for a definition or a right or wrong, simply to help encourage everyone to be more creative and strive to move away from what they've always done and try to shoot beyond their own boxes.
Do post away, all of you're photography is so beautiful! Thanks Ed!!!
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Mar 13, 2018 03:29:09   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
AnthonyM wrote:
Here are some portraits that are out of the box. Lighting was different (obviously) from one to the next. I like portraits that show a fraction of the person's identity.
I really enjoyed working with these people.

Hope I'm not too late to hear what the big gunners at the hog have to say...


Anthony, I'll be glad to say something but you're gonna have to keep waiting for the big gunners!!! LoL
First, a question? By "person's Identity", do you mean a hint of what they are working at? Like the vineyards in the background or what looks like wine barrels etc? If so, that has a name. That genre is called "environmental portraits". Google it and hone that genre, its a beautiful genre.
My fav is #4, probably because it's the best technically via lighting, composition and subject, at least to me.
I will say, I think on #'s 1, 3 and 4, you missed the focus. Your DoF is very shallow so the focus needs to be dead-on! Maybe reevaluate how you're focusing. Are you using center point or recomposing? Anyway, the eyes are not sharp but other areas are. Lighting is key, you can't over-light or under-light and put the light were you need it. And careful with the PP, personally I'm no good at it so I depend on being VERY close SOOC.
Thanks for posting and feel free to post more!!!
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Mar 13, 2018 03:35:09   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
imagemeister wrote:
The only problems I see are my distaste for double catch lights and cutting off the top of the head or maybe we chalk that up as just "out of the ordinary creativity" ??..

LoL, I think we can chalk it up to personal taste!!!
And cut(pun intended LoL) me a break, I did not CUT of her HEAD, I just gave her a mild lobotomy!!! LoL
Thanks Meister!!!
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