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Feb 16, 2018 06:38:58   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Here's an online dispute involving three photographers on YouTube.

First, the original from Tony Northrup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QczEFjn9P7I

Response from Fro Knows Photo -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gToB-y6Xvkg

Commentary on the argument -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n62mb4JOBQ&feature=em-subs_digest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwV7L8zvXus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONghhIF-xE

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Feb 16, 2018 06:54:32   #
mleuck
 
Who cares what they think. Choose and use what you need!

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Feb 16, 2018 06:56:05   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
mleuck wrote:
Who cares what they think. Choose and use what you need!


It's just the thinking that's relevant, it's the reasoning behind the thoughts. "Shoot JPEG because..."

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Feb 16, 2018 06:57:20   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
I watched these when they first came out. Very interesting.

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Feb 16, 2018 07:32:17   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
mleuck wrote:
Who cares what they think. Choose and use what you need!



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Feb 16, 2018 07:42:52   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
First off, if Tony told me what time it was, I'd pray I had an accurate watch to determine the time for myself.

Secondly, the difference between RAW and jpg is very simple. It's the difference between shooting film and processing it yourself and shooting with a Polaroid camera. RAW allows the photographer to control a lot of the aspects of the photograph. With Polaroid, you get what you get.

As for the controversy, for me, there isn't any. I shoot RAW because I can't expose the way I do by using any other format.
--Bob

jerryc41 wrote:
Here's an online dispute involving three photographers on YouTube.

First, the original from Tony Northrup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QczEFjn9P7I

Response from Fro Knows Photo -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gToB-y6Xvkg

Commentary on the argument -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n62mb4JOBQ&feature=em-subs_digest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwV7L8zvXus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONghhIF-xE

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Feb 16, 2018 08:22:27   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Here's an online dispute involving three photographers on YouTube.

First, the original from Tony Northrup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QczEFjn9P7I

Response from Fro Knows Photo -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gToB-y6Xvkg

Commentary on the argument -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n62mb4JOBQ&feature=em-subs_digest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwV7L8zvXus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONghhIF-xE


And it continues...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfAFafYpQMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkE9wEPfm7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGIhMkNSEXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzYNTV1k45E


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Feb 16, 2018 10:04:29   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Here's an online dispute involving three photographers on YouTube.

First, the original from Tony Northrup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QczEFjn9P7I

Response from Fro Knows Photo -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gToB-y6Xvkg

Commentary on the argument -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n62mb4JOBQ&feature=em-subs_digest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwV7L8zvXus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONghhIF-xE


Interesting videos.
No controversy for me. I choose to shoot everything in raw. I think the most ridiculous point made by Tony, (and refuted by Jared), is to use jpeg when taking unimportant photos. (I may be paraphrasing here.) Oftentimes I have gone home and reviewed my photos only to realize that what I thought was a very mundane shot was actually a keeper. And if that shot was underexposed or overexposed I was very glad to have the extra data to process that is provided by shooting raw. Also, I don’t see the point of spending the money on “good” camera equipment and not taking advantage of the various options, including raw. This being said, shooting raw or jpeg is a personal preference; everyone should certainly choose the option they prefer.
Steve

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Feb 16, 2018 13:59:58   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
StevenG wrote:
Interesting videos.
No controversy for me. I choose to shoot everything in raw. I think the most ridiculous point made by Tony, (and refuted by Jared), is to use jpeg when taking unimportant photos. (I may be paraphrasing here.) Oftentimes I have gone home and reviewed my photos only to realize that what I thought was a very mundane shot was actually a keeper. And if that shot was underexposed or overexposed I was very glad to have the extra data to process that is provided by shooting raw. Also, I don’t see the point of spending the money on “good” camera equipment and not taking advantage of the various options, including raw. This being said, shooting raw or jpeg is a personal preference; everyone should certainly choose the option they prefer.
Steve
Interesting videos. br No controversy for me. I c... (show quote)


Good point(s), been there, done that too.

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Feb 17, 2018 06:39:51   #
IHH61 Loc: Homestead Fl
 
Fro Knows

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Feb 17, 2018 07:29:58   #
par4fore Loc: Bay Shore N.Y.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Here's an online dispute involving three photographers on YouTube.

First, the original from Tony Northrup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QczEFjn9P7I

Response from Fro Knows Photo -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gToB-y6Xvkg

Commentary on the argument -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n62mb4JOBQ&feature=em-subs_digest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwV7L8zvXus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONghhIF-xE



If you are a pro shoot raw.
If you are an artist shoot raw.
If you are at all anal shoot raw.
If you print for display or enter contest shoot raw.
If your wife wants a photo of every moment of the holiday, birthday, childs sporting event; so she can post some on Facebook, shoot jpeg/raw.
If you have no need for raw then shoot jpeg. (my mom is 89 and just got her 1st digital camera last year, believe me, she does not need to know what raw even is.)
I always shoot both. Raw files are my negatives. For general use, (slide shows, sharing and printing family photos) if needed, I work on my jepg in Adobe Camera Raw. Usually adjusting exposure, lens correction, de-hazing and shadows. For anything more than that or anything special I work on my raw files.

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Feb 17, 2018 08:34:20   #
aschweik Loc: NE Ohio
 
I just started shooting raw yesterday. After playing with it all day, I've decided to stay that way and only shoot jpeg as needed. I haven't looked at these videos yet because I don't want to be any further confused about what I'm doing than I already am. :)

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Feb 17, 2018 09:08:43   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
StevenG wrote:
Interesting videos.
No controversy for me. I choose to shoot everything in raw. I think the most ridiculous point made by Tony, (and refuted by Jared), is to use jpeg when taking unimportant photos. (I may be paraphrasing here.) Oftentimes I have gone home and reviewed my photos only to realize that what I thought was a very mundane shot was actually a keeper. And if that shot was underexposed or overexposed I was very glad to have the extra data to process that is provided by shooting raw. Also, I don’t see the point of spending the money on “good” camera equipment and not taking advantage of the various options, including raw. This being said, shooting raw or jpeg is a personal preference; everyone should certainly choose the option they prefer.
Steve
Interesting videos. br No controversy for me. I c... (show quote)


Surely " I choose to shoot everything in raw. I don’t see the point of spending the money on “good” camera equipment and not taking advantage of the various options, including raw". really means that you are not taking advantage of the various options? such as the sophisticated firmware included to produce great JPGs?

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Feb 17, 2018 09:15:45   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
rmalarz wrote:
First off, if Tony told me what time it was, I'd pray I had an accurate watch to determine the time for myself.

Secondly, the difference between RAW and jpg is very simple. It's the difference between shooting film and processing it yourself and shooting with a Polaroid camera. RAW allows the photographer to control a lot of the aspects of the photograph. With Polaroid, you get what you get.

As for the controversy, for me, there isn't any. I shoot RAW because I can't expose the way I do by using any other format.
--Bob
First off, if Tony told me what time it was, I'd p... (show quote)


"With Polaroid, you get what you get." Yes - but that is NOT the case with JPGs. From your analogy it seems that you know nothing about JPGs, which I doubt is true.

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Feb 17, 2018 10:32:25   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
rmalarz wrote:
First off, if Tony told me what time it was, I'd pray I had an accurate watch to determine the time for myself.

Secondly, the difference between RAW and jpg is very simple. It's the difference between shooting film and processing it yourself and shooting with a Polaroid camera. RAW allows the photographer to control a lot of the aspects of the photograph. With Polaroid, you get what you get.

As for the controversy, for me, there isn't any. I shoot RAW because I can't expose the way I do by using any other format.
--Bob
First off, if Tony told me what time it was, I'd p... (show quote)


Your Polaroid analogy is very wrong. You can do a significant amount of pp on a jpg photo, just not as much as on a RAW photo. Saying you get what you get indicates you cannot pp and that's just not true.

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