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Feb 14, 2018 13:49:58   #
Jim Bob
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBkrFY2AYOg

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Feb 14, 2018 13:56:12   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJrjt3q5s1w

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Feb 14, 2018 13:59:02   #
Crichmond Loc: Loveland, CO
 
Great post! Thanks!

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Feb 14, 2018 14:12:02   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
We get quite a bit of that here on UHH. I don't mind someone being honest, but mean is a different story. I also dislike it when people tell other people that their pictures are great. Just GREAT!. When the truth is it's soft or just a snap, or not interesting or simply NOT GREAT. People don't improve if they think their photos are great. So be honest in a kind way and offer suggestions to help the newbe improve. No need to be mean and nasty.

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Feb 14, 2018 14:13:07   #
Hyperhad Loc: Thunder Bay, Canada
 
Funny, true...and sad.

Great videos!

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Feb 14, 2018 14:18:41   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
We get quite a bit of that here on UHH. I don't mind someone being honest, but mean is a different story. I also dislike it when people tell other people that their pictures are great. Just GREAT!. When the truth is it's soft or just a snap, or not interesting or simply NOT GREAT. People don't improve if they think their photos are great. So be honest in a kind way and offer suggestions to help the newbe improve. No need to be mean and nasty.


Yeah, but as Monty Python famously said, "there's no pleasing some people, innit?"

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Feb 14, 2018 14:46:39   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
I strongly disagree with her. I see 100 people attacking those sharing their expertise, characterizing it as some sort of snobbery, for every supposed "snob" putting people down. She is reinforcing a growing and destructive trend. Here and there someone might say "you must shoot raw!" but there are far, far more people claiming that some snobs are persecuting them somehow because they shoot jpegs. That is but one example. It is a greater danger that newcomers might not get the opportunity to learn because they are bombarded with "oh, you don't need to worry about any of that! Don't pay attention to those experts, they are just snobs!" When I first came here it was very difficult get answer to any questions about using raw files, because the anti-snobs would swarm the thread. "Oh, 'they' will tell you that you must shoot raw, but that is nonsense! No one can really tell the difference!" As a result, I dismissed considering working with raw files for a couple of years, and I deeply regret that. I should have listened to the snobs, not to the anti-snobs.

I think far more damage is done by the fanatical anti-snobs than is done by the snobs. Of course, if I had a business that dependent upon attracting newcomers and pandering to the modern notion that no one should ever be made to feel uncomfortable or be challenged in any way, and that everyone's opinion is equal to everyone else's, then perhaps I would be tempted to rant about the supposed grave threat from the snobs.

Mike

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Feb 14, 2018 14:49:11   #
Jim Bob
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I strongly disagree with her. I see 100 people attacking those sharing their expertise, characterizing it as some sort of snobbery, for every supposed "snob" putting people down. She is reinforcing a growing and destructive trend. Here and there someone might say "you must shoot raw!" but there are far, far more people claiming that some snobs are persecuting them somehow because they shoot jpegs. That is but one example. It is a greater danger that newcomers might not get the opportunity to learn because they are bombarded with "oh, you don't need to worry about any of that! Don't pay attention to those experts, they are just snobs!" When I first came here it was very difficult get answer to any questions about using raw files, because the ant-snobs would swarm the thread. "Oh, 'they' will tell you that you must shoot raw, but that is nonsense! Noe one can really tell the difference!" As a result, I dismissed considering working with raw files for a couple of years, and I deeply regret that. I should have listened to the snobs, not to the anti-snobs.

I think far more damage is done by the fanatical anti-snobs than is done by the snobs. Of course, if I had a business that dependent upon attracting newcomers and pandering to the modern notion that no one should ever be made to feel uncomfortable or be challenged in any way, and that everyone's opinion is equal to everyone else's, then perhaps I would be tempted to rant about the supposed grave threat from the snobs.

Mike
I strongly disagree with her. I see 100 people att... (show quote)


Weird.

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Feb 14, 2018 14:56:31   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Weird.


How so?

Mike

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Feb 14, 2018 14:59:02   #
Crichmond Loc: Loveland, CO
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Weird.



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Feb 14, 2018 17:25:08   #
chaman
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I strongly disagree with her. I see 100 people attacking those sharing their expertise, characterizing it as some sort of snobbery, for every supposed "snob" putting people down. She is reinforcing a growing and destructive trend. Here and there someone might say "you must shoot raw!" but there are far, far more people claiming that some snobs are persecuting them somehow because they shoot jpegs. That is but one example. It is a greater danger that newcomers might not get the opportunity to learn because they are bombarded with "oh, you don't need to worry about any of that! Don't pay attention to those experts, they are just snobs!" When I first came here it was very difficult get answer to any questions about using raw files, because the anti-snobs would swarm the thread. "Oh, 'they' will tell you that you must shoot raw, but that is nonsense! No one can really tell the difference!" As a result, I dismissed considering working with raw files for a couple of years, and I deeply regret that. I should have listened to the snobs, not to the anti-snobs.

I think far more damage is done by the fanatical anti-snobs than is done by the snobs. Of course, if I had a business that dependent upon attracting newcomers and pandering to the modern notion that no one should ever be made to feel uncomfortable or be challenged in any way, and that everyone's opinion is equal to everyone else's, then perhaps I would be tempted to rant about the supposed grave threat from the snobs.

Mike
I strongly disagree with her. I see 100 people att... (show quote)


Look at that. I agree.

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Feb 14, 2018 17:40:45   #
Jim Bob
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
How so?

Mike


You figure it out. I'm not your father or your teacher.

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Feb 14, 2018 18:01:11   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Jim Bob wrote:
You figure it out. I'm not your father or your teacher.


I expressed an opinion, that's all. You disagreed, so I asked you to explain the basis for your disagreement. I would actually be interested in hearing your opinion. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. No need to be nasty.

Mike

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Feb 15, 2018 08:08:41   #
tinplater Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I expressed an opinion, that's all. You disagreed, so I asked you to explain the basis for your disagreement. I would actually be interested in hearing your opinion. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. No need to be nasty.

Mike


In my opinion much criticism comes from a position of presumed superiority and a strong desire to establish that the critic is smarter, better, more creative and should be more respected than those who find worthwhile effort in someone else's work. It is a delicate balance achieved by the best critics...encouraging and instructing at the same time. When a critic gets inflamed and then involved in a long discourse, back and forth, it is generally a clear sign that the critic values his opinion and worthiness over all others.

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Feb 15, 2018 14:26:35   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
chaman wrote:
Look at that. I agree.


I am humbled.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Mike

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