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Feb 21, 2018 11:17:12   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 


That will work fine as well. Same outcome, same steps, slightly different sequence - note that it assumes that you have enough SATA ports and drive power connectors to have both the SSD and HD installed simultaneously. BUT, a clean installation of Windows will not have the appropriate registry entries to automatically run your old applications, even if you clone the ap and associated files to the new drive - you will still have to reinstall them.

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Feb 21, 2018 11:54:48   #
therwol Loc: USA
 


I recently did this on an old laptop. I downloaded the most recent media (the link is in the article you provide), burned the ISO to a DVD, shut down the computer, swapped the hard drives (putting in the blank SSD), booted from the DVD and installed Windows 10. Windows recognized the machine as a licensed machine without a product key. Windows provided drivers to most of my hardware. I had to reinstall all of my software. Make sure you're using the latest version of Windows and not something you downloaded previously, otherwise you'll spend an eternity installing updates.

Cloning is a waste of time if you're going to reinstall Windows.

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Feb 21, 2018 11:58:46   #
timkramer Loc: PA
 
therwol wrote:
Cloning is a waste of time if you're going to reinstall Windows.





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Feb 21, 2018 12:03:07   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
therwol wrote:
...I had to reinstall all of my software. Make sure you're using the latest version of Windows and not something you downloaded previously, otherwise you'll spend an eternity installing updates.

Cloning is a waste of time if you're going to reinstall Windows.


Good points!

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Feb 25, 2018 13:41:18   #
timkramer Loc: PA
 
Update #1...

Got the RAM and installed that pretty easily. Powered up the laptop and it's now showing 16MB RAM. Next was making a copy of the .ISO file and putting it on my external USB drive. I changed the BIOS settings to read from the external drive first and then I replaced the HDD and with the SSD and booted up. I got the error that it's a non bootable drive. Swapped back to the HDD, removed the external drive, and got back into the machine. HMM??

Next stop is to go to Best Buy and get a drive enclosure to potentially clone the SSD with Marcrium Reflect and try again.

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Feb 25, 2018 15:06:56   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
timkramer wrote:
Update #1...

Got the RAM and installed that pretty easily. Powered up the laptop and it's now showing 16MB RAM. Next was making a copy of the .ISO file and putting it on my external USB drive. I changed the BIOS settings to read from the external drive first and then I replaced the HDD and with the SSD and booted up. I got the error that it's a non bootable drive. Swapped back to the HDD, removed the external drive, and got back into the machine. HMM??

Next stop is to go to Best Buy and get a drive enclosure to potentially clone the SSD with Marcrium Reflect and try again.
Update #1... br br Got the RAM and installed that... (show quote)


Question: even though you changed the boot order, are you sure the computer is actually trying to boot the Windows installation from the USB ISO, or its it seeing the SSD, finding no OS and giving you the error?

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Feb 25, 2018 15:07:32   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
TriX wrote:
Question: even though you changed the boot order, are you sure the computer is actually trying to boot the Windows new installation executable from the USB ISO, or its it seeing the SSD, finding no OS and giving you the error?
duplicate - ignore

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Feb 25, 2018 15:54:26   #
timkramer Loc: PA
 
TriX wrote:
Question: even though you changed the boot order, are you sure the computer is actually trying to boot the Windows installation from the USB ISO, or its it seeing the SSD, finding no OS and giving you the error?


Good question.....got the drive enclosure but when I plug it into the USB port, nothing is showing up.

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Feb 25, 2018 16:24:42   #
timkramer Loc: PA
 
timkramer wrote:
Good question.....got the drive enclosure but when I plug it into the USB port, nothing is showing up.


Had to partition the disk first. OK, so now I am using Macrium software to clone the new SSD. Since I have all of my data on the hard drive, I will get the SSD installed and then run a fresh install of Win10 on it and then move the data. Seems like it's an extra step, but I can't think of any other way to get this thing up and running.

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Feb 25, 2018 19:29:06   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
timkramer wrote:
Good question.....got the drive enclosure but when I plug it into the USB port, nothing is showing up.


Nothing will show up in Windows if you plug in an unformatted hard drive. I had that experience. When I booted from a Windows 10 DVD to install Windows, it found it. When I've cloned to a blank hard drive, Macrium found it.

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Feb 25, 2018 19:33:36   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
timkramer wrote:
Update #1...

Got the RAM and installed that pretty easily. Powered up the laptop and it's now showing 16MB RAM. Next was making a copy of the .ISO file and putting it on my external USB drive. I changed the BIOS settings to read from the external drive first and then I replaced the HDD and with the SSD and booted up. I got the error that it's a non bootable drive. Swapped back to the HDD, removed the external drive, and got back into the machine. HMM??

Next stop is to go to Best Buy and get a drive enclosure to potentially clone the SSD with Marcrium Reflect and try again.
Update #1... br br Got the RAM and installed that... (show quote)


Does your laptop (I assume this is a laptop you're talking about.) have an internal CD/DVD drive? Can you boot from a Windows DVD (burned from ISO) from a DVD?

I've done that multiple times to do a clean install of Windows, a couple of times on a blank hard drive. I have even booted from an external DVD drive to do this.

You cannot do a clean install of Windows from within Windows, so you need to figure out how to boot from something external.

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Feb 26, 2018 10:11:19   #
timkramer Loc: PA
 
therwol wrote:
Does your laptop (I assume this is a laptop you're talking about.) have an internal CD/DVD drive? Can you boot from a Windows DVD (burned from ISO) from a DVD?

I've done that multiple times to do a clean install of Windows, a couple of times on a blank hard drive. I have even booted from an external DVD drive to do this.

You cannot do a clean install of Windows from within Windows, so you need to figure out how to boot from something external.


Yes, this is for an HP ENVY Sleekbook 6-1010us laptop. I was able to find the drive and partition it correctly and then start the cloning process. That took about 7 hours to complete and I was able to pop the SSD in and it booted right up. Booted much faster than HDD I had in there. I opened a few apps as well like Lightroom, Word, Excel, etc. and they all came up super fast! I then put the HDD into the drive enclosure and made sure that it was recognized and I had all of my files that I wanted. I found this neat little code snippet to run in Windows Powershell that would list all of my installed applications so I didn't have to painfully write them all down. There's definitely a bunch of crap on there that I will be glad to get rid of. It's now in the process of downloading a fresh install of Windows 10 and wiping everything away.

Lots of lessons learned here with this and if I had to do it all over again, I would probably just buy a new computer :) BUT, it is one of those things that doing it on your own gives you a sense of accomplishment. I guess it's like installing wood floors on your own or hiring someone to do it. I did find out that when I used my external drive to make a .ISO file, it wiped everything else off the drive. I think once it is complete, I will be happy with it. Yes, the processor and graphics card are probably outdated, but for the original purpose of what I am looking for, I think the upgrade made completely good sense. I was able to find some amazing deals on the RAM and SSD, which made it worth it as well.

RAM - $55
SSD - $112
Drive Enclosure - $31.79
TOTAL - $198.79

Perfect! I stayed under 200 bucks and will probably just use the 500GB HDD within the enclosure as backup storage or just set it somewhere and forget about it since I have another Toshiba 750GB that I use as a backup drive.

Anyway, just wanted to close the loop on the process from the original thread. Thanks to all who contributed words of wisdom with this little project of mine. Now that the laptop has been upgraded, I can get back to taking pictures

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Feb 26, 2018 10:19:57   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
timkramer wrote:
Yes, this is for an HP ENVY Sleekbook 6-1010us laptop. I was able to find the drive and partition it correctly and then start the cloning process. That took about 7 hours to complete and I was able to pop the SSD in and it booted right up. Booted much faster than HDD I had in there. I opened a few apps as well like Lightroom, Word, Excel, etc. and they all came up super fast! I then put the HDD into the drive enclosure and made sure that it was recognized and I had all of my files that I wanted. I found this neat little code snippet to run in Windows Powershell that would list all of my installed applications so I didn't have to painfully write them all down. There's definitely a bunch of crap on there that I will be glad to get rid of. It's now in the process of downloading a fresh install of Windows 10 and wiping everything away.

Lots of lessons learned here with this and if I had to do it all over again, I would probably just buy a new computer :) BUT, it is one of those things that doing it on your own gives you a sense of accomplishment. I guess it's like installing wood floors on your own or hiring someone to do it. I did find out that when I used my external drive to make a .ISO file, it wiped everything else off the drive. I think once it is complete, I will be happy with it. Yes, the processor and graphics card are probably outdated, but for the original purpose of what I am looking for, I think the upgrade made completely good sense. I was able to find some amazing deals on the RAM and SSD, which made it worth it as well.

RAM - $55
SSD - $112
Drive Enclosure - $31.79
TOTAL - $198.79

Perfect! I stayed under 200 bucks and will probably just use the 500GB HDD within the enclosure as backup storage or just set it somewhere and forget about it since I have another Toshiba 750GB that I use as a backup drive.

Anyway, just wanted to close the loop on the process from the original thread. Thanks to all who contributed words of wisdom with this little project of mine. Now that the laptop has been upgraded, I can get back to taking pictures
Yes, this is for an HP ENVY Sleekbook 6-1010us lap... (show quote)


Sounds like a very cost effective upgrade and a great (if painful) computer learning experience - congratulations on a successful completion! Btw, I’ve laid hardwood floors as well, and believe me computer upgrades are easier on your knees and back

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Feb 26, 2018 11:06:21   #
timkramer Loc: PA
 
TriX wrote:
Btw, I’ve laid hardwood floors as well, and believe me computer upgrades are easier on your knees and back


So true! The finished product is so much nicer too

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