Mirror-less Dig Cams, and the evolution from the Rangefinder ... some still see them as the same thing ... what's your take?
Jan 21, 2018 02:00:52 #
It can be said, the Mirror-less dig cam is just a Rangefinder with a fancy viewfinder (the EVF) others see them as just a new take on an old design. What are they?
Jan 21, 2018 02:06:25 #
No it's not a rangefinder as rangefinder is in the rank of the elite and the mirrorless is common rank.
Jan 21, 2018 02:16:20 #
DTran wrote:
No it's not a rangefinder as rangefinder is in the rank of the elite and the mirrorless is common rank.
It's not, huh, D?
But a few years ago, the Rangefinder was a pretty common camera design. It wasn't JUST the Leica. There were many, many rangefinders out there .....
Jan 21, 2018 02:35:08 #
Chris T wrote:
It can be said, the Mirror-less dig cam is just a Rangefinder with a fancy viewfinder (the EVF) others see them as just a new take on an old design. What are they?
Far removed from the range finders of old.
Jan 21, 2018 02:48:37 #
RichardTaylor wrote:
Far removed from the range finders of old.
Well, that may well be ...
But, I think I do notice a note of acquiescence, here, Richard ....
Jan 21, 2018 04:08:59 #
They are not the same. And the “elite comment” is nonsense— perhaps made just because Leica made rangefinders. There were other manufacturers. Here’s some reading material so you can see for yourself that mirrorless does not equal rangefinder.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangefinder_camera
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangefinder_camera
Jan 21, 2018 04:28:33 #
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
They are not the same. And the “elite comment” is nonsense— perhaps made just because Leica made rangefinders. There were other manufacturers. Here’s some reading material so you can see for yourself that mirrorless does not equal rangefinder.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangefinder_camera
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangefinder_camera
Thanks, Allen ... will take a look ...
So, the Leica ISN'T elite, then?
Jan 21, 2018 10:16:16 #
Chris T wrote:
Well, that may well be ...
But, I think I do notice a note of acquiescence, here, Richard ....
But, I think I do notice a note of acquiescence, here, Richard ....
Not true - however that applies to film cameras in general.
Jan 21, 2018 10:36:20 #
Chris T wrote:
It's not, huh, D?
But a few years ago, the Rangefinder was a pretty common camera design. It wasn't JUST the Leica. There were many, many rangefinders out there .....
But a few years ago, the Rangefinder was a pretty common camera design. It wasn't JUST the Leica. There were many, many rangefinders out there .....
Not a few years Chris. Rangefinder is no longer a common thing since the mid 80's. There were a lot of rangefinders made but today I can't think of any in production except the Leica. The Fuji with optical finder but not rangefinder. So you can buy a mirrorless relatively cheap but if you want a rangefinder it's expensive.
Jan 21, 2018 11:09:40 #
Chris T wrote:
Thanks, Allen ... will take a look ...
So, the Leica ISN'T elite, then?
So, the Leica ISN'T elite, then?
That isn’t at all what I wrote. Leicas are probably the most well-known and because of their reputation, a lot of people assume rangefinder means elite.
Both Canon and Nikon made rangefinders. Nikons were the S and S2 and labeled as Nippon Kogaku. Here are some vintage Canons on EBay. http://www.ebay.com/gds/Top-5-Canon-Vintage-Rangefinder-Cameras-/10000000178130373/g.html#gh-eb-My
Yashica made one and Minolta partnered with Leica on a model. There were others as well
Jan 21, 2018 12:56:11 #
DTran wrote:
Not a few years Chris. Rangefinder is no longer a common thing since the mid 80's. There were a lot of rangefinders made but today I can't think of any in production except the Leica. The Fuji with optical finder but not rangefinder. So you can buy a mirrorless relatively cheap but if you want a rangefinder it's expensive.
My Mamiya Universal was a Rangefinder, D ... it handled all 120/220 formats - from 645 all the way up to 6x9. Lovely camera. Bought it in the 80s.
Fuji has a lot of APS-C designs - some of which lend themselves quite well to the "rangefinder" theme. One is the X100F - I'm sure some would say it IS a Rangefinder!
The XPro2 - also comes quite close, but, although it uses a VF straight-through window, don't think it has parallax adjustment, like the Leica design ....
I can remember back in the 60s - just about every affordable 35mm camera out there - WAS a Rangefinder ... but things have changed, quite a bit, since the SLR.
Jan 21, 2018 13:00:49 #
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
That isn’t at all what I wrote. Leicas are probably the most well-known and because of their reputation, a lot of people assume rangefinder means elite.
Both Canon and Nikon made rangefinders. Nikons were the S and S2 and labeled as Nippon Kogaku. Here are some vintage Canons on EBay. http://www.ebay.com/gds/Top-5-Canon-Vintage-Rangefinder-Cameras-/10000000178130373/g.html#gh-eb-My
Yashica made one and Minolta partnered with Leica on a model. There were others as well
Both Canon and Nikon made rangefinders. Nikons were the S and S2 and labeled as Nippon Kogaku. Here are some vintage Canons on EBay. http://www.ebay.com/gds/Top-5-Canon-Vintage-Rangefinder-Cameras-/10000000178130373/g.html#gh-eb-My
Yashica made one and Minolta partnered with Leica on a model. There were others as well
Yes, I know, Allen ... that Yashica was a very popular model for a while. Canon and Nikon RFs - not so much ... which is perhaps why they refocused on SLRs.
Minolta was quite big, even back then, huh? ... Is that where Leica came up with the "M" designation? ... Because Minolta had a hand in it? ...
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