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Jan 13, 2018 12:33:56   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
pendennis wrote:
I was in IT for a long time, and the debate was always performance vs. portability. We had folks who absolutely had to have laptops because of the nature of their jobs. You just couldn't put a desktop in the passenger seat of a test vehicle. And even then, the "standard" laptop models wouldn't hold up. We contracted with a major maker to provide engineers with very sturdy models which would stand the rigors of harsh driving conditions.

The evolution to the notepad in lieu of the laptop makes for even more of a conundrum.
I was in IT for a long time, and the debate was al... (show quote)


The Panasonic Toughbooks are particularly resilient. Lifetouch uses them in most of their portrait rigs. If a school photographer can't beat them up, nobody can!

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Jan 13, 2018 13:25:57   #
pendennis
 
burkphoto wrote:
The Panasonic Toughbooks are particularly resilient. Lifetouch uses them in most of their portrait rigs. If a school photographer can't beat them up, nobody can!


Toshiba's were what our company ended up buying. They looked at a number, Dell, Toshiba, IBM, Panasonic.

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Jan 13, 2018 16:01:26   #
planepics Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
 
bdk wrote:
I like desk top also, with all the stuff I have connected you could never use a laptop, including 2 monitors, wacom tablet, printer, 5 hard drives, mouse , surround sound with 2 sub woofers and an assortment of cables for all the GPS;'s we have ( we geocache so we have a few GPS"s)


My sister just came back from NC where she taught a geocaching seminar for different park rangers around the country. She's a ranger for the St. Louis County parks and had geocached for years. She tried to get me into it and I have the app on my phone, but I've never used it...hardly have any data on phone plan...she has unlimited. She keeps track of one traveling cache in particular, trying to get it to a particular place in Scotland where her late husband's family roots are from. He was only 37 when he died. PS I'd have a desktop if I had enough room for one. Used to have one.

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Jan 13, 2018 16:57:04   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
I use my 17" monitor at Starbucks. No good internet at home.

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Jan 13, 2018 17:46:39   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Things are looking up for laptops especially macbooks the new usb c thunderbolt connections are very fast, there are now external boxes which have pci graphics cards inside and additional ports which hook up with 1 cable which does data and power.

Granted a mobile cpu is not going to run as fast as a desktop system but you can't have failed to notice a lot of adobes programs run code on the gpu rather than the cpu now. Graphics performance with these egpu's is very good, If i remember the review i read correctly the graphics performance was better than an iMac pro.

So docked you have a powerhouse and undocked you also have the portability and battery life. If you require both a laptop and a desktop system its worth considering. This is still pretty new of course but its likely to become more mainstream over the next year or two.

One thing that may have changed the playing field is meltdown and spectre. With mitigations slowing down cpu performance and cpu designers now having to look at designing new processors the use of gpu's may become more important for processing than ever before.

Interesting times, there may be some interesting options coming up. When you see how thin the ipads are now perhaps we may see a detachable screen on a macbook pro which is also an ipad wouldn't that be fun. then you could put that screen anywhere (not in front of the large external monitor which you are trying to use).

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Jan 13, 2018 18:04:07   #
Allen1218
 
Laptops usually have a much shorter life span than desktop computers.

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Jan 13, 2018 20:48:56   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Allen1218 wrote:
Laptops usually have a much shorter life span than desktop computers.


I'm typing this on a 10 year old Dell D530 laptop. I put an SSD in it and maxed out the RAM. It's running Windows 10 Pro. Okay, I wouldn't do video editing with only 4 gigs of RAM, and I do have better computers available, but it still works for most things. Besides, I like tinkering with things.

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Jan 13, 2018 20:53:31   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
planepics wrote:
My sister just came back from NC where she taught a geocaching seminar for different park rangers around the country. She's a ranger for the St. Louis County parks and had geocached for years. She tried to get me into it and I have the app on my phone, but I've never used it...hardly have any data on phone plan...she has unlimited. She keeps track of one traveling cache in particular, trying to get it to a particular place in Scotland where her late husband's family roots are from. He was only 37 when he died. PS I'd have a desktop if I had enough room for one. Used to have one.
My sister just came back from NC where she taught ... (show quote)


My wife and I visit the UK once a year for several weeks. We do geocaching in and around the Lake District and in Southern Scotland every time we go. There are two advantages over doing it in the US. One is that you're not going to be bitten by a poisonous snake when reaching under things, and two, you're probably not going to be shot or arrested for snooping around suspiciously. We take a laptop with us and map out the caches, writing down the coordinates etc to put in the GPS device we carry. Some people do it just with a phone. We definitely don't have unlimited data out of the country, but we do have internet access.

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Jan 13, 2018 23:49:07   #
Allen1218
 
therwol wrote:
I'm typing this on a 10 year old Dell D530 laptop. I put an SSD in it and maxed out the RAM. It's running Windows 10 Pro. Okay, I wouldn't do video editing with only 4 gigs of RAM, and I do have better computers available, but it still works for most things. Besides, I like tinkering with things.


I'm just going by the advice that my former IT manager gave me. I do have a 11 year old Toshiba laptop (I keep it for the XP programs i can't run on 10) that I had to replace the hard drive in at 3 years but on his advice put it and my newer laptops on cooling pads than run when the laptop is on.

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Jan 14, 2018 00:08:16   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Allen1218 wrote:
I'm just going by the advice that my former IT manager gave me. I do have a 11 year old Toshiba laptop (I keep it for the XP programs i can't run on 10) that I had to replace the hard drive in at 3 years but on his advice put it and my newer laptops on cooling pads than run when the laptop is on.


As I mentioned earlier, I can do video capture on my old laptop from digital tape because it has a firewire port. There is no other way to do it from tape. USB doesn't work. Another thing is that I have the 32 bit version of Windows 10 on it. The 32 bit version will run 16 bit software, like a few very old games my wife likes to play. I used to use cooling pads with the noisy fans, and those things always broke or got so loud I couldn't stand them. Maybe I didn't spend enough money for good ones.

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Jan 14, 2018 00:41:46   #
kcooke Loc: Alabama
 
TriX wrote:
The huge advantage of a desktop (unless it’s a Mac) is the ability to upgrade various components as the technology and your needs change. Laptops have very limited upgradability (as do Macs).


I have Both windows and Mac computers at my home. All are laptops except for my mid 2010 Mac Pro Tower 5.1. I find it very upgradeable. I have 6 available internal drive bays that will easily hold 2 TB each for a total of 12 TB. Maximum memory is 48 GB. Mine has an Intel Zeon 3.2 GHz quad core processor that is hyper threaded to 8 core. It is upgradeable to a dual processor 12 core. I don’t have any processing speed issues or upgrade issues whatsoever with mine.

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Jan 14, 2018 09:17:25   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
kcooke wrote:
I have Both windows and Mac computers at my home. All are laptops except for my mid 2010 Mac Pro Tower 5.1. I find it very upgradeable. I have 6 available internal drive bays that will easily hold 2 TB each for a total of 12 TB. Maximum memory is 48 GB. Mine has an Intel Zeon 3.2 GHz quad core processor that is hyper threaded to 8 core. It is upgradeable to a dual processor 12 core. I don’t have any processing speed issues or upgrade issues whatsoever with mine.


Agree completely, but the Pro tower is a very different beast than the IMacs which are mostly used and discussed here, and as I’m sure you know, the upgrades for those machines are few, and other than memory are difficult or impossible. My comment was not intended as anti-Mac, just a general statement of fact (with some exceptions, such as yours)

Cheers,
Chris

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Jan 14, 2018 11:34:03   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TriX wrote:
Agree completely, but the Pro tower is a very different beast than the IMacs which are mostly used and discussed here, and as I’m sure you know, the upgrades for those machines are few, and other than memory are difficult or impossible. My comment was not intended as anti-Mac, just a general statement of fact (with some exceptions, such as yours)

Cheers,
Chris


Before buying any Mac, it’s a good idea to read/watch the iFixIt tear down of it, and to check Macsales.com for upgrade options.

Apple often sings a more restrictive tune than reality, for those with nimble fingers who can follow explicit instructions.

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Jan 14, 2018 11:50:42   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
burkphoto wrote:
Before buying any Mac, it’s a good idea to read/watch the iFixIt tear down of it, and to check Macsales.com for upgrade options.

Apple often sings a more restrictive tune than reality, for those with nimble fingers who can follow explicit instructions.


Agreed. Removing a screen from an IMac to get to the internals isn’t fun, but can be done (i’ve done it, but didn’t enjoy the process). Some will allow a CPU change (if it was an option) and RAM can be changed, either easily or requiring some effort, depending on the model, but no question that your upgrade path is limited, so choose wisely upfront (and consider after-market RAM to save $).

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Jan 14, 2018 12:31:57   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TriX wrote:
Agreed. Removing a screen from an IMac to get to the internals isn’t fun, but can be done (i’ve done it, but didn’t enjoy the process). Some will allow a CPU change (if it was an option) and RAM can be changed, either easily or requiring some effort, depending on the model, but no question that your upgrade path is limited, so choose wisely upfront (and consider after-market RAM to save $).




The only caveat with third party RAM is to be sure you replace all OEM RAM with a set of larger capacity sticks that are exactly the same. Most of the RAM issues I've seen over the years happened due to mis-matches of modules. Some companies will take your old RAM modules in trade. OWC and Crucial and Kingston are good sources.

The key to getting into an iMac is patience, and the right tools. There are great videos and manuals on several sites that explain and illustrate the process in detail. OWC (macsales.com) is particularly helpful.

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