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Nov 22, 2017 01:16:49   #
Wolfwillow
 
I am an amateur and have been shooting a T2i for the last few years. My main target is wildlife, with a concentration on birds. I have read myself in circles trying to determine my next purchase. I am somewhat committed to Canon because I already own a 100-400 L IS lens.

My overall goal is better Image Quality. Based on what I have read on UHH and reviews and comparisons on the internet I am looking at the 7D Mk ll, the 80D and the 5D MkIV. I would consider the 5D only if it offers a substantial increase in IQ. I am basically looking for tack sharp images.

I would appreciate opinions based on your knowledge and experiences.

Thanks,
Paul

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Nov 22, 2017 03:35:23   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
All three of the cameras you listed are very good. The first two are crop sensor, the 5D Mark 4 is the latest full frame of that series. When it first came out, the price was $3500. Since you already have a "L" lens in the Canon Brand, 100-400mm, you might as well go with the 5D Mark 4. And you won't have to worry about upgrading to full frame. You'll already have it.

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Nov 22, 2017 04:46:28   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Wolfwillow wrote:
I am an amateur and have been shooting a T2i for the last few years. My main target is wildlife, with a concentration on birds. I have read myself in circles trying to determine my next purchase. I am somewhat committed to Canon because I already own a 100-400 L IS lens.

My overall goal is better Image Quality. Based on what I have read on UHH and reviews and comparisons on the internet I am looking at the 7D Mk ll, the 80D and the 5D MkIV. I would consider the 5D only if it offers a substantial increase in IQ. I am basically looking for tack sharp images.

I would appreciate opinions based on your knowledge and experiences.

Thanks,
Paul
I am an amateur and have been shooting a T2i for t... (show quote)


You have an L lens, so that's a start, since lenses make a huge difference in image quality compared to the camera. Generally speaking, the better )$$$) the camera, the better the results. I've listed some camera comparison sites below. Maybe they will help.

(Reviews) https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCameraStoreTV/videos
http://www.cameradecision.com/
http://cameras.reviewed.com/
http://camerasize.com/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
http://snapsort.com/compare
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/cameras?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=mainmenu&utm_medium=text&ref=mainmenu

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Nov 22, 2017 05:44:04   #
CLF Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Wolfwillow wrote:
I am an amateur and have been shooting a T2i for the last few years. My main target is wildlife, with a concentration on birds. I have read myself in circles trying to determine my next purchase. I am somewhat committed to Canon because I already own a 100-400 L IS lens.

My overall goal is better Image Quality. Based on what I have read on UHH and reviews and comparisons on the internet I am looking at the 7D Mk ll, the 80D and the 5D MkIV. I would consider the 5D only if it offers a substantial increase in IQ. I am basically looking for tack sharp images.

I would appreciate opinions based on your knowledge and experiences.

Thanks,
Paul
I am an amateur and have been shooting a T2i for t... (show quote)



Paul, I also shoot mainly wildlife, birds and mammals. I have an 80D as my primary body and something you should consider is the crop factor of 1.6 on both the 7D and 80D. The sensor will give you additional "reach" than a full frame would. It would make the 100-400mm lens perform like it does on your current Canon T2i. Just my opinion and I am struggling with a similar problem that being with what I mainly like to photograph should I get a FF. I have been considering the 6D only do to money constraints.

Greg

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Nov 22, 2017 07:07:02   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
"Tack sharp" images are first and above all a function of the lens and the photographer's technique. To generate the greatest number of keeper candidates, the power and accuracy of the body's AF system then comes into play. The body specialized on "main target is wildlife, with a concentration on birds" would be the 7DII. At a lower price and better higher ISO performance, but with a less powerful AF engine, is the 80D with the added reach of a cropped sensor. The 5DIV will perform still better at higher ISOs but without the AF engine of the 7DII nor the 1.6x "reach" of the crop sensor bodies. All three candidate bodies potentially will provide improvements over your T2i via improved AF and higher ISO performance. But, your technique remains paramount to the body's capabilities. Your 100-400L is an excellent lens capable of excellent results on all Canon EOS bodies.

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Nov 22, 2017 08:49:38   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
I have both the 7DII and the 5DIV. While the 5DIV is my preferred camera for most anything else, for wildlife it's the 7DII. Particularly for BIF where you often end up doing a lot of cropping. The end result is better image resolution with the 7DII when cropping. When I first got my 5DIV I wondered if the 30mp would produce an image-to-image resolution that would equal the 7DII. I took two identical shots at 400mm, same lens, on a tripod, same settings, etc. I then cropped and enlarged the 5DIV shot to produce the same view angle and size of the 7DII shot. The difference in IQ was unmistakable. The 7DII has 20mp versus 30mp for the 5DIV, but the 20mp are on a much smaller sensor which creates higher pixel density compared to most every full frame. This becomes quite noticeable when you start cropping.

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Nov 22, 2017 15:01:47   #
Wolfwillow
 
Thanks to all for your input. Looks like the 7Dll might be my best choice (and the savings over the 5D will bolster my glass budget).

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Nov 23, 2017 07:39:05   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
The 7DII also has the added reach of a crop sensor (you might add)




CHG_CANON wrote:
"Tack sharp" images are first and above all a function of the lens and the photographer's technique. To generate the greatest number of keeper candidates, the power and accuracy of the body's AF system then comes into play. The body specialized on "main target is wildlife, with a concentration on birds" would be the 7DII. At a lower price and better higher ISO performance, but with a less powerful AF engine, is the 80D with the added reach of a cropped sensor. The 5DIV will perform still better at higher ISOs but without the AF engine of the 7DII nor the 1.6x "reach" of the crop sensor bodies. All three candidate bodies potentially will provide improvements over your T2i via improved AF and higher ISO performance. But, your technique remains paramount to the body's capabilities. Your 100-400L is an excellent lens capable of excellent results on all Canon EOS bodies.
"Tack sharp" images are u first and abo... (show quote)

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Nov 23, 2017 09:23:33   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
I would recommend finding a dealer that takes trades. Unfortunately mine went out of business, but not before he offered me a 5D III that he had just taken in with a 24-105 f/4 IS lens which I got both for less than the original price of a 6D body.
When I checked the shutter count, I was surprised that it was less than 200.

And I love the idea of the dual drives which is one of the many reasons why I chose it over the 6D.

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Nov 23, 2017 10:39:26   #
williejoha
 
I generally shoot with a 5 Mark II or III. For my 100-400 II lens I use the 7 II plus the 1.4 extender. Works great.
WJH

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Nov 23, 2017 11:10:33   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
I have a 5D MIII and 7D MII. I have not even scratched the surface exhausting the possibilities. You can purchase refurbished or used and save some money. The two will cover the gamut.
Mark
Wolfwillow wrote:
I am an amateur and have been shooting a T2i for the last few years. My main target is wildlife, with a concentration on birds. I have read myself in circles trying to determine my next purchase. I am somewhat committed to Canon because I already own a 100-400 L IS lens.

My overall goal is better Image Quality. Based on what I have read on UHH and reviews and comparisons on the internet I am looking at the 7D Mk ll, the 80D and the 5D MkIV. I would consider the 5D only if it offers a substantial increase in IQ. I am basically looking for tack sharp images.

I would appreciate opinions based on your knowledge and experiences.

Thanks,
Paul
I am an amateur and have been shooting a T2i for t... (show quote)

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Nov 23, 2017 20:46:29   #
Wolfwillow
 
Thanks all

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Nov 23, 2017 21:37:54   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Wolfwillow wrote:
I am an amateur and have been shooting a T2i for the last few years. My main target is wildlife, with a concentration on birds. I have read myself in circles trying to determine my next purchase. I am somewhat committed to Canon because I already own a 100-400 L IS lens.

My overall goal is better Image Quality. Based on what I have read on UHH and reviews and comparisons on the internet I am looking at the 7D Mk ll, the 80D and the 5D MkIV. I would consider the 5D only if it offers a substantial increase in IQ. I am basically looking for tack sharp images.

I would appreciate opinions based on your knowledge and experiences.

Thanks,
Paul
I am an amateur and have been shooting a T2i for t... (show quote)


I think I would be most concerned with which body has the best AF @ f8 using the 100-400 V1 - because, for sure you will need a 1.4X with the 100-400 - most especially with the full frame ! AND, even then you will be cropping. The 80D has the better sensor/pixel density for cropping.....

As mentioned by CHG Canon, camera/lens management -AKA technique- and subject distance are the largest contributors to sharpness....

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Nov 23, 2017 21:46:28   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
imagemeister wrote:
I think I would be most concerned with which body has the best AF @ f8 using the 100-400 V1 - because, for sure you will need a 1.4X with the 100-400 - most especially with the full frame ! AND, even then you will be cropping. The 80D has the better sensor/pixel density for cropping.....

And, the 80D and 5DIV both support AF at f/8 at AF points other than just the center as supported by the 7DII.

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