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Oct 12, 2017 13:26:13   #
Larrymc Loc: Mississippi
 
leftj wrote:
Your response is totally off-point. The OP was not talking about using manual focus.


You need to go back and read the OPs post once more. The OP said the manual focus photos were not useable and the ones in auto(which includes auto focus) were useable. So Bob's post was totally on point.

Larry

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Oct 12, 2017 13:30:47   #
CaltechNerd Loc: Whittier, CA, USA
 
Bobspez wrote:
Shooting manual generally means setting your own aperture and shutter speed, sometimes iso as well, not focusing manually. Unless you use a tripod and the live view magnifier to generate a 6x or better magnified view of the focus point there's not much chance your eyesight will outperform your autofocus.




I always use manual focus when photographing art. The camera is on a tripod, I magnify the live-view to the maximum, I focus on the highest contrast point on the art that I can find, or use a sharp black and white card to focus on. That is the ONLY situation where I would trust manual focus!

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Oct 12, 2017 13:33:11   #
Larrymc Loc: Mississippi
 
PatM wrote:
Hello Ladies and Germs,

I have Been taking photos using manual for a short period of time. I guess a couple months now. I went to a wedding this Sat. with our camera. I had a little hope that the skills I have been studying might show up in the photos I captured. Sadly it was an unhappy result. I was not doing this for anyone but my experience. Nobody was counting on me but me. Most all photos taken in auto were satisfactory to Good. Most of the manual focus photos I took were out of focus blurred or otherwise virtually unusable. When in live view the screen looked acceptable for taking but end result was not. I did not use a tripod at all as I did not want to interfere with the real photographer. I believe there was vibration or movement showing in some of the photos but not all and none when in auto. Needless to say I am disappointed that even a modicum of competence was not displayed in my endeavor. Lighting was horrible but not an excuse. Just venting frustration.
Have a good day
Hello Ladies and Germs, br br I have Been taking ... (show quote)


The lesson learned here should be never hand hold and try to manual focus a camera in "live view" that's damn near impossible to get an acceptable photo. Live view is best used when the camera is tripod mounted if you want to hand hold using "live view" use your smart phone. Don't be disappointed in what you did, just learn from it.

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Oct 12, 2017 13:40:51   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
foathog wrote:
Jerry.....If you are driving a fancy sports car and have an automatic transmission you are considered a wussy amongst sports car enthusiasts. You have a certain amount of control of the car. .





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Oct 12, 2017 13:54:06   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Me too.

foathog wrote:
Jerry.....If you are driving a fancy sports car and have an automatic transmission you are considered a wussy amongst sports car enthusiasts. You have a certain amount of control of the car. I use manual almost all the time. but I use auto focus unless it's a macro shot.

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Oct 12, 2017 14:03:35   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
Agreed. My hands are partially paralyzed and I have almost 0 sense of touch. I need to see what I am doing. Auto has allowed me to continue with my photography hobby.

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Oct 12, 2017 14:05:01   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
PatM wrote:
.../... When in live view the screen looked acceptable for taking but end result was not. .../...

Live view is a joke when used for still photography*. The same for the 'digital view finder*, there is no way for anyone to figure out the focusing of any image other than magnifying the display (and lose all perspective in the process ~ unless on a tripod ~). Better use auto-focus if you have the choice, even if that is still not quite up to snuff for folks who are picky.

Otherwise for what you say the trouble is not with the manual settings (Aperture, speed or ISO)


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* Live view or digital view finder show a down sampled view of what the camera sensor views and as such show... Nothing at all that is usable other than for composition. Manufacturers do not expect you to focus anymore!!!!

Edit: By the way, live view and view finders do not show the resulting capture unless you hit the 'DoF' preview available in some cameras. Still, if you use slow speed that will not show regardless of what you do other than taking an capture first.

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Oct 12, 2017 14:29:32   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Live view is a joke when used for still photography*. The same for the 'digital view finder*, there is no way for anyone to figure out the focusing of any image other than magnifying the display (and lose all perspective in the process ~ unless on a tripod ~). Better use auto-focus if you have the choice, even if that is still not quite up to snuff for folks who are picky.

Otherwise for what you say the trouble is not with the manual settings (Aperture, speed or ISO)


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* Live view or digital view finder show a down sampled view of what the camera sensor views and as such show... Nothing at all that is usable other than for composition. Manufacturers do not expect you to focus anymore!!!!

Edit: By the way, live view and view finders do not show the resulting capture unless you hit the 'DoF' preview available in some cameras. Still, if you use slow speed that will not show regardless of what you do other than taking an capture first.
Live view is a joke when used for still photograph... (show quote)


Please speak of your own equipment and not False News general statements. What you see is exactly what you get in Sony view finders in the a7x, a5xxx, a6xxx, a99ll, and a9 series cameras.

BTW, I have shot Hundreds of Weddings and family gatherings. I would never rely on fully Manual settings. I may go the Shutter Preferred or Aperture Preferred but never full manual. Remember ...all cameras the Green setting is good. It will give you a good photo 99% of the time. Life is always a learning process.

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Oct 12, 2017 14:32:36   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Rongnongno wrote:


Edit: By the way, live view and view finders do not show the resulting capture unless you hit the 'DoF' preview available in some cameras. Still, if you use slow speed that will not show regardless of what you do other than taking an capture first.


DOF preview is only for young, 20/20 eyes. I tried to reprogram the DOF button on my camera to order beer. Didn't work

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Oct 12, 2017 14:46:02   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
Why go manual? Because you can! Results as good as the programmed modes are not guaranteed. I usually am using aperture preferred and auto ISO because I understand what I will get. I use shutter preferred and auto ISO when I need to stop action or blur part of the image. I choose the focus mode as part of the framing and composing activity and use auto focus when I am in a rush to capture an image. For a landscape that I plan to enlarge, I use a tripod and the slowest ISO available. That kind of activity is why the cameras provide all the adjustable functions for your use. If you don't want to learn, change to a Point-and-Shoot.

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Oct 12, 2017 14:48:18   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
cthahn wrote:
Germs??????????????????? Very impressive.


Standard stand-up comedian opening line to an audience.
Made popular by Milton Berle, Rodney Dangerfield, Don Rickles and Henny Youngman.

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Oct 12, 2017 14:56:26   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It continues to amaze me that people prefer to shoot in full manual. Auto everything is very fast and near perfect every time. Forty years ago, I had to focus manually and set exposure by matching a needle and a spot. There's no way I would want to go back to that system. My car starts with the push of a button, and it shifts up and down by itself. Why would I want to go back to crank starting and manual shifting?

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Now someone makes sense....


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Oct 12, 2017 15:09:56   #
RodB Loc: Dallas/Mckinney
 
PatM wrote:
Hello Ladies and Germs,

I have Been taking photos using manual for a short period of time. I guess a couple months now. I went to a wedding this Sat. with our camera. I had a little hope that the skills I have been studying might show up in the photos I captured. Sadly it was an unhappy result. I was not doing this for anyone but my experience. Nobody was counting on me but me. Most all photos taken in auto were satisfactory to Good. Most of the manual focus photos I took were out of focus blurred or otherwise virtually unusable. When in live view the screen looked acceptable for taking but end result was not. I did not use a tripod at all as I did not want to interfere with the real photographer. I believe there was vibration or movement showing in some of the photos but not all and none when in auto. Needless to say I am disappointed that even a modicum of competence was not displayed in my endeavor. Lighting was horrible but not an excuse. Just venting frustration.
Have a good day
Hello Ladies and Germs, br br I have Been taking ... (show quote)



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Oct 12, 2017 15:18:47   #
OldBobD Loc: Ohio
 
Manual settings are useful where you know the auto settings will not produce the desired results. Auto works more times than you might think. I used manual settings for years because that was the only option I had. Auto exposure and auto focusing improved my photos many fold.

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Oct 12, 2017 15:25:46   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
ORpilot wrote:
Please speak of your own equipment and not False News general statements. What you see is exactly what you get in Sony view finders in the a7x, a5xxx, a6xxx, a99ll, and a9 series cameras.

BTW, I have shot Hundreds of Weddings and family gatherings. I would never rely on fully Manual settings. I may go the Shutter Preferred or Aperture Preferred but never full manual. Remember ...all cameras the Green setting is good. It will give you a good photo 99% of the time. Life is always a learning process.
Please speak of your own equipment and not False N... (show quote)

Oh? So you can focus [i]manually and accurately[/b] on a live view or digital view finder?

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