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Oct 11, 2017 06:48:14   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
While I agree with OP about experience just because you own a D5 doesn't make you a better photographer it makes you a D5 owner, that said, there are just times when entry level stuff just won't cut it. Along with your cameras system one also needs to shoot and shoot a lot!
Like cars, and I hate cars, a beetle will get you where your going but it won't win races.

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Oct 11, 2017 07:05:15   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
After giving some consideration to your post, as I initially did, agree. However, I've always felt that I'd rather have the quality of my photography be limited by my talent, not by my equipment. I, personally, would find it very frustrating to not achieve the level I'd like because I was limited by the equipment I'm using.
--Bob
tnturk wrote:
Please understand this is an observation. Not the magic do all, fix all.
I am a grinder. By grinder I mean just a guy that loves photography and have loved it all my life.My equipment is sparse and in almost all cases entry level. Not a complaint but a fact of life. Kids, college, weddings, all came first. Photography is a passion but in most cases comes lower on the list of must haves. I watch posts on UHH and almost daily people ask for this vs that and seem to think this will make them better. What makes you better is practice and knowledge of the equipment you have. My lenses are kit lenses. My camera an entry level DSLR. My enjoyment has been and is over the top. I love what I do. I love getting better. I love the knowledge. So for all you people out there who think the equipment will make you better. Nope it's practice, read, understand. That's what makes you better.
Please understand this is an observation. Not the ... (show quote)

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Oct 11, 2017 07:19:53   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
tnturk wrote:
Please understand this is an observation. Not the magic do all, fix all.
I am a grinder. By grinder I mean just a guy that loves photography and have loved it all my life.My equipment is sparse and in almost all cases entry level. Not a complaint but a fact of life. Kids, college, weddings, all came first. Photography is a passion but in most cases comes lower on the list of must haves. I watch posts on UHH and almost daily people ask for this vs that and seem to think this will make them better. What makes you better is practice and knowledge of the equipment you have. My lenses are kit lenses. My camera an entry level DSLR. My enjoyment has been and is over the top. I love what I do. I love getting better. I love the knowledge. So for all you people out there who think the equipment will make you better. Nope it's practice, read, understand. That's what makes you better.
Please understand this is an observation. Not the ... (show quote)


So, what you are saying is that professional golfers could use SEARS clubs and still be great cause it's skill and not the clubs. Carpenters could use all K Mart tools for everything because it is the skill and not the equipment, Doctors, Dentists, Nurses, could use old x-ray machines to find exactly where the cancer is cause it's not about the equipment it's the skill that counts. So in your opinion a kit lens that only opens up to f 5.6 will give you the same out of focus background that a 2.8 lens could cause it's skill vs equipment. So the pop up flash on your camera will deliver just as nice result as my tilting and rotating bounce Nikon SB900 cause it's the skill and not the equipment. Is that what your saying? Just want to be clear here.

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Oct 11, 2017 07:22:53   #
cthahn
 
Another smart photographer. The photographer takes the picture, not the camera. He enjoys bragging about his photos, not his caamera.

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Oct 11, 2017 07:46:38   #
Mary Kate Loc: NYC
 
tnturk wrote:
Please understand this is an observation. Not the magic do all, fix all.
I am a grinder. By grinder I mean just a guy that loves photography and have loved it all my life.My equipment is sparse and in almost all cases entry level. Not a complaint but a fact of life. Kids, college, weddings, all came first. Photography is a passion but in most cases comes lower on the list of must haves. I watch posts on UHH and almost daily people ask for this vs that and seem to think this will make them better. What makes you better is practice and knowledge of the equipment you have. My lenses are kit lenses. My camera an entry level DSLR. My enjoyment has been and is over the top. I love what I do. I love getting better. I love the knowledge. So for all you people out there who think the equipment will make you better. Nope it's practice, read, understand. That's what makes you better.
Please understand this is an observation. Not the ... (show quote)


This is very nice. Well done.

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Oct 11, 2017 08:14:31   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
billnikon wrote:
So, what you are saying is that professional golfers could use SEARS clubs and still be great cause it's skill and not the clubs. Carpenters could use all K Mart tools for everything because it is the skill and not the equipment, Doctors, Dentists, Nurses, could use old x-ray machines to find exactly where the cancer is cause it's not about the equipment it's the skill that counts. So in your opinion a kit lens that only opens up to f 5.6 will give you the same out of focus background that a 2.8 lens could cause it's skill vs equipment. So the pop up flash on your camera will deliver just as nice result as my tilting and rotating bounce Nikon SB900 cause it's the skill and not the equipment. Is that what your saying? Just want to be clear here.
So, what you are saying is that professional golfe... (show quote)

Rethinking my post above, and I still stand by my thoughts no matter how good your gear is you still have to have the ability to make art with your camera(tools) and maybe some justify their "beginner" stuff with you don't necessarily need good equipment to make great images while this is true to some extent, basic gear can't do everything BIF low light fast moving subjects, need I go on!

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Oct 11, 2017 08:18:22   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Bill_de wrote:
<snip> 'acceptable to a 10 year old' pictures <snip>


This is a goal we should all aspire to.

Not joking here. 10 year olds are tough!

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Oct 11, 2017 08:20:19   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
I love your logic, some like to have the latest and greatest. I shot wildlife with a D7100, when it won't do what I want I may upgread.

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Oct 11, 2017 08:27:59   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
tnturk wrote:
Please understand this is an observation. Not the magic do all, fix all.
I am a grinder. By grinder I mean just a guy that loves photography and have loved it all my life.My equipment is sparse and in almost all cases entry level. Not a complaint but a fact of life. Kids, college, weddings, all came first. Photography is a passion but in most cases comes lower on the list of must haves. I watch posts on UHH and almost daily people ask for this vs that and seem to think this will make them better. What makes you better is practice and knowledge of the equipment you have. My lenses are kit lenses. My camera an entry level DSLR. My enjoyment has been and is over the top. I love what I do. I love getting better. I love the knowledge. So for all you people out there who think the equipment will make you better. Nope it's practice, read, understand. That's what makes you better.
Please understand this is an observation. Not the ... (show quote)



I agree completely. I shoot film exclusively. My clients and publishers have never once asked about the equipment that I make my images with. The ones that do know that I use all older film gear do not care. It is the image that matters. My older film gear can do all that the modern digital rigs can do. It is all about skill and vision. Technology cannot, and will will not ever replace Vision, skill and passion.

KK
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Oct 11, 2017 08:32:42   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
billnikon wrote:
So, what you are saying is that professional golfers could use SEARS clubs and still be great cause it's skill and not the clubs. Carpenters could use all K Mart tools for everything because it is the skill and not the equipment, Doctors, Dentists, Nurses, could use old x-ray machines to find exactly where the cancer is cause it's not about the equipment it's the skill that counts. So in your opinion a kit lens that only opens up to f 5.6 will give you the same out of focus background that a 2.8 lens could cause it's skill vs equipment. So the pop up flash on your camera will deliver just as nice result as my tilting and rotating bounce Nikon SB900 cause it's the skill and not the equipment. Is that what your saying? Just want to be clear here.
So, what you are saying is that professional golfe... (show quote)



Adequate gear is important. But adequate is the operative word. Steve Morse, Pat Metheny or Jeff Beck could pick a $200 guitar off the rack, and blow you away with its sweet sounds.

KK

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Oct 11, 2017 08:34:35   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Cameras are tools. Some tools are better for a particular job than other tools. Choosing the right tool is the result of training and experience.

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Oct 11, 2017 08:36:07   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Kiron Kid wrote:
I agree completely. I shoot film exclusively. My clients and publishers have never once asked about the equipment that I make my images with. The ones that do know that I use all older film gear do not care. It is the image that matters. My older film gear can do all that the modern digital rigs can do. It is all about skill and vision. Technology cannot, and will will not ever replace Vision, skill and passion.

KK
SVP


The types of photos you posted are ones that wouldn't benefit much from advanced technology. One area where high-end digital is clearly better than film is low light, high ISO image quality.

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Oct 11, 2017 08:36:28   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Cameras are tools. Some tools are better for a particular job than other tools. Choosing the right tool is the result of training and experience.



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Oct 11, 2017 08:36:49   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
SharpShooter wrote:
LoL!
Wait till you're advanced and you can't get the shots you want because your entry level camera doesn't have the focus system capable of getting the shots?!
Suddenly the equipment becomes brutally important, no matter HOW good you are.
Don't judge a camera by how good you are not!!!
SS


OP is right, if the focus system can't get the shot it's time to switch to manual focus, I do it all the time, certain lenses don't ale=ways find the focus point.

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Oct 11, 2017 08:44:51   #
Harry_in_England
 
SharpShooter wrote:
LoL!
Wait till you're advanced and you can't get the shots you want because your entry level camera doesn't have the focus system capable of getting the shots?!
Suddenly the equipment becomes brutally important, no matter HOW good you are.
Don't judge a camera by how good you are not!!!
SS


It must be wonderful to be able to AFFORD the upmarket equipment. Some of us aren't so lucky and will never be able to buy high spec gear no matter how many hours a day we work.
And I think your final comment is rather insulting to tnturk.

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