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Oct 11, 2017 11:55:34   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
larryepage wrote:
From the descriptions that we read from Nikon and others, the D850 appears to have the capability of being a great model. But it includes a number of significant changes from long-standing standards in its price/performance tier. The two biggest, in my opinion, are the shift to a combination metal/composite body and the addition of the tilt monitor. Both of these changes concern me because professional equipment tends to see a lot harder use than "enthusiast" gear. I need to see if the tilt implementation results in more trips to the repair shop. The manager of my local shop told me that in general, movable monitors generate a significant number of repair situations. I also tend to use my flip up flash quite a bit...whether to provide some fill in an emergency when I don't have my SB800 or as a really good way to control off-camera flash. I'd have to figure out how to do without it.

It is also interesting to me that we have not heard more from those on the forum who already received their D850s. A few test shots have been posted, but I've not seen any significant 'completed' photos or read any meaningful posts with impressions or brief reviews. It may just be that those folks are having so much fun shooting that they haven't yet been able to free up time to share with us.

I still love my D300 & D300s, and my D810 provides all of the capability I really need in more advanced situations, although a couple of the new features and modes on the D850 are very interesting to me.
From the descriptions that we read from Nikon and ... (show quote)


I agree with Larryepage that the tilt screen is a weak point. I see no benefit to the tilt screen for still photography. In my early days I learned how to hold a 4 x 5 Speed Graphic over my head and properly angel it when I needed to keep the back of people's heads out of the frame. I can do it with any handheld camera, although there are weight limitations at my age. In fact, you don't really need a "live view" feature if you think about it. To me, the main advantage of the LCD is the histogram and the ability to verify your picture following exposure.

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Oct 11, 2017 12:07:30   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
bpulv wrote:
I agree with Larryepage that the tilt screen is a weak point. I see no benefit to the tilt screen for still photography. In my early days I learned how to hold a 4 x 5 Speed Graphic over my head and properly angel it when I needed to keep the back of people's heads out of the frame. I can do it with any handheld camera, although there are weight limitations at my age. In fact, you don't really need a "live view" feature if you think about it. To me, the main advantage of the LCD is the histogram and the ability to verify your picture following exposure.
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Are you kidding? Have you used a camera with a tilting screen?

You didn't mention the low shots which has you on your belly to get that capture. No more grass stains on your clothes.

It's a great option when you need it. I would sooner have it than not!

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Oct 11, 2017 12:08:23   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
jpicc1113 wrote:
I hate to sound like a newbie....but what does GAS stand for?


Gear Acquisition Syndrome.

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Oct 11, 2017 12:09:16   #
bigdukeor
 
I am still getting great results with my D600. Thought about the 610 when it came out, then the D800, but thought what is it going to give me, in the realm that I do my shooting. I think a good reconditioned 810 would be a good jump for me. It would be my last DSLR, considering my age (77). Have not tried to blow anything up over 24x36", and they come out very well with the 24.3Mb. Jumping to a 810 would be a 50% increase, if I'm not mistaken.

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Oct 11, 2017 12:14:17   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Thanks. I thought it was something he eat, that didn't agree with him. B^)

mas24 wrote:
Gear Acquisition Syndrome.

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Oct 11, 2017 12:24:41   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
1963mca wrote:
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going to pass at this time. My D800 has far more capability than I as an "advanced" amateur. The only reason for thinking of changing is GAS. My reason for passing at this time is that at my age I expect I will only get one or two more DSLR's. The only DSLR's I've had are the D90 and the D800, both of which I still have. I entered the world of digital in 2008 with the D90, adding it to my Nikon F4 (which I still use). I was so new to digital I didn't even realize that DX meant a crop sensor, I just thought the D90 was a top of the line amateurs 35mm (FF) DSLR camera. The info I read at the time didn't really describe the crop aspect. All I knew was that it was a lot less expensive than the "Pro" Nikons. I was and am still happy with the D90 and the DX format is absolutely no hindrance to me, has no bearing on the desire to upgrade, but GAS forced me to want an actual FF camera. Didn't need it, just wanted one. Plus I have a lot of FX lenses from the F4 era and have now added more (yes, have used them on the D90). Finally bit the bullet in 2014 and jumped in to the D800. Again, far more camera than I need but love it. So this was a gap of 6 years between my first DSLR and latest DSLR. Now, looking at the timeline of Nikon FX releases I see a span of only 2 to 3 years between them, each offering interesting steps forward, especially in sensor size and/or iso. So my thought is, since I've only had my D800 for 3 years now that the D850 is out, what will Nikon be releasing in another 3 years? If I keep my 6 year gap between DSLR purchases then I'm wondering what Nikon will have for us in 2020? Figure if I start saving now, I'll even have enough money to buy whatever they have to offer by then. If I had a real reason to upgrade, I'd get a D850, but..... I can wait. Anybody else thinking of waiting?
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I too started exploring digital photography with a D90 and acquired a D800 in about the same time frame as you. My purpose in buying the D90 was to get comfortable with digital cameras before investing in a professional camera. My plan was to sell my D90 when I upgraded to the D800, but my wife talked me out of it. I carry the D90 so I will have an emergency backup when we travel. In actually, I have only used it once since I bought the D800 and that was so that I would not need to switch between lenses when we went through the Panama Canal.

I agree with you to this extent regarding expensive upgrades like the D850:

1) The features of the new camera will be frequently used.
2) There is no workaround on your old camera that will allow you to duplicate what those features will do.
3) The additional cost is offset by the benefit. I DO NOT include "first on the block to have it", "prestige" and similar reasons as a "benefit."
4) The time since your last upgrade should not be part of the equation.

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Oct 11, 2017 12:26:30   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Feiertag wrote:
Are you kidding? Have you used a camera with a tilting screen?

You didn't mention the low shots which has you on your belly to get that capture. No more grass stains on your clothes.

It's a great option when you need it. I would sooner have it than not!


Grass stains come out in the wash.

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Oct 11, 2017 12:27:36   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
bpulv wrote:
Grass stains come out in the wash.


Ha ha! B^)

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Oct 11, 2017 12:30:56   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Must be that .01 percent interest the banks dole out...šŸ˜Ž

Best,
Todd Ferguson

DaveyDitzer wrote:
I am not only waiting, but will pass GAS completely. I recently upgraded to a Df from a D5300 (kept the D5300 for video and on the advice of UHHers). I found that FX glass, no surprise, is much more expensive. So while I learn the camera, I am also much more selective about glass purchases. I have one great 50mm f1.4 and two used lenses - WA zoom and a long zoom. The long zoom cost me all of $25! Will it be a great piece of glass? I doubt it, but it will help me decide what I really want in a long zoom. Ditto on the WA zoom. Although better and more $$, it will also show me the way on the short end. So with a total of about $600, I can cover: 18-35, 50, 70-300. Now I can go to "school" and learn more about the craft and about what I really will use. BTW, not bragging, but I could afford to spend the money, but choose not to. Somehow, money in the bank already is much harder to spend.... still learning patience even at my age! I am thankful for the hoggers who make this site so useful and interesting.
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Oct 11, 2017 12:32:24   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
I have the GA syndrome. I am enjoying my D850 every day. It's my hobby and it's fun.

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Oct 11, 2017 12:41:16   #
Meganephron Loc: Fort Worth, TX
 
1963mca wrote:
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going to pass at this time. My D800 has far more capability than I as an "advanced" amateur. The only reason for thinking of changing is GAS. My reason for passing at this time is that at my age I expect I will only get one or two more DSLR's. The only DSLR's I've had are the D90 and the D800, both of which I still have. I entered the world of digital in 2008 with the D90, adding it to my Nikon F4 (which I still use). I was so new to digital I didn't even realize that DX meant a crop sensor, I just thought the D90 was a top of the line amateurs 35mm (FF) DSLR camera. The info I read at the time didn't really describe the crop aspect. All I knew was that it was a lot less expensive than the "Pro" Nikons. I was and am still happy with the D90 and the DX format is absolutely no hindrance to me, has no bearing on the desire to upgrade, but GAS forced me to want an actual FF camera. Didn't need it, just wanted one. Plus I have a lot of FX lenses from the F4 era and have now added more (yes, have used them on the D90). Finally bit the bullet in 2014 and jumped in to the D800. Again, far more camera than I need but love it. So this was a gap of 6 years between my first DSLR and latest DSLR. Now, looking at the timeline of Nikon FX releases I see a span of only 2 to 3 years between them, each offering interesting steps forward, especially in sensor size and/or iso. So my thought is, since I've only had my D800 for 3 years now that the D850 is out, what will Nikon be releasing in another 3 years? If I keep my 6 year gap between DSLR purchases then I'm wondering what Nikon will have for us in 2020? Figure if I start saving now, I'll even have enough money to buy whatever they have to offer by then. If I had a real reason to upgrade, I'd get a D850, but..... I can wait. Anybody else thinking of waiting?
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going ... (show quote)


I had a D800 with the low pass filter and had all kind of color issues. Should have waited for the D800 E without the filter. Nikon has omitted the filter in the D810 and D750. Both have their own advantages.

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Oct 11, 2017 12:59:54   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Feiertag wrote:
Are you kidding? Have you used a camera with a tilting screen?

You didn't mention the low shots which has you on your belly to get that capture. No more grass stains on your clothes.

It's a great option when you need it. I would sooner have it than not!


I won't even consider a camera without a tilt screen! They are so good for 'over the crowd' shots, astrophotography, low shots, etc. ...

bwa

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Oct 11, 2017 14:25:10   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
Waiting for D810 prices to come down.

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Oct 11, 2017 14:27:10   #
photonutt1970
 
I wasn't sure if I was going to wait or not I shoot with the D7100 but you made some valid points about waiting

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Oct 11, 2017 14:47:11   #
jack schade Loc: La Pine Oregon
 
Iā€™m also going to wait. I have a D800 and a D810. I will wait for the next generation. I really like the two cameras that I have and know how to use them.

Jack

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