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Sep 24, 2017 12:21:21   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
I was in Europe most of August. I came home with about 70 GB of footage and stills. My plan over the next weeks is to create a series of separate videos of about 60 to 90 seconds for each city on the trip.

This is the first of what should be about a dozen. But, progress will be interrupted by a road trip to Kentucky and back!

Compliments/suggestions are welcome. Be gentle with the harsh criticism. I'm old and sensitive and I know the competition for quality here is fierce!

One fun part of this first video is that the sound track was recorded live on site with a surprise organ concert. I pointed the camera at the floor and tried to aim the camera mics to the source. The organist could not be seen from where I was sitting.

(The thumbnail that Vimeo randomly picked is my wife of 49 years holding her brand new ZS100 that she bought for the trip. She sets it on iA and shoots JPEGS.)

98 seconds in Latvia:
https://vimeo.com/235100393

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Sep 24, 2017 14:29:32   #
Jay Pat Loc: Round Rock, Texas, USA
 
Enjoyed the 98 seconds tour!!
Pat

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Sep 24, 2017 14:48:00   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Jay Pat wrote:
Enjoyed the 98 seconds tour!!
Pat
Thank you! As I complete the rest, I will post them here. I hope you enjoy them too!

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Sep 25, 2017 08:14:35   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Beautiful 4K images but I believe you could greatly improve the presentation by choosing another music theme in lieu of the drama of the Toccata and Fugue in D minor, widely overplayed in many YouTube videos and TV commercials. Great photography otherwise.

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Sep 25, 2017 10:10:58   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Julian wrote:
Beautiful 4K images but I believe you could greatly improve the presentation by choosing another music theme in lieu of the drama of the Toccata and Fugue in D minor, widely overplayed in many YouTube videos and TV commercials. Great photography otherwise.


You are absolute right... except for one thing. Toward the end of one day on our tour we were invited into a ancient (by USA standards) cathedral. We were invited to sit in ancient pews. To my total surprise and delight the organist began playing the Bach music. I pointed my camera at the floor so that I could "aim" the camera's mics at the enormous pipe organ, crossed my fingers and pressed the record button. In other words, for that particular day and this particular video, it is the bonifide "real thing". It is and probably will be the only time I will ever be treated to such a performance.

To my defense, I put it in the end credits that it was a live, on site recording.

Thank you for complimenting my photography.

Bill

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Sep 25, 2017 13:01:41   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Julian wrote:
Beautiful 4K images but I believe you could greatly improve the presentation by choosing another music theme in lieu of the drama of the Toccata and Fugue in D minor, widely overplayed in many YouTube videos and TV commercials. Great photography otherwise.



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Sep 25, 2017 13:02:25   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
bsprague wrote:
You are absolute right... except for one thing. Toward the end of one day on our tour we were invited into a ancient (by USA standards) cathedral. We were invited to sit in ancient pews. To my total surprise and delight the organist began playing the Bach music. I pointed my camera at the floor so that I could "aim" the camera's mics at the enormous pipe organ, crossed my fingers and pressed the record button. In other words, for that particular day and this particular video, it is the bonifide "real thing". It is and probably will be the only time I will ever be treated to such a performance.

To my defense, I put it in the end credits that it was a live, on site recording.

Thank you for complimenting my photography.

Bill
You are absolute right... except for one thing. T... (show quote)



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Oct 2, 2017 09:18:34   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
This is video #2 of a planned dozen.

Estonia, a country in Northern Europe, borders the Baltic Sea and Gulf of Finland. Including more than 1,500 islands, its diverse terrain spans rocky beaches, old-growth forest and many lakes. Formerly part of the Soviet Union, it's dotted with castles, churches and hilltop fortresses. The territory of Estonia has been inhabited since at least 6500 BC.

Tallinn's Old Town is one of the best preserved medieval cities in Europe.

67 seconds in Estonia:

https://vimeo.com/236346842

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Oct 5, 2017 15:45:39   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Hi Bill, great photography and subject matter, but I have trouble viewing and absorbing fast cuts. I think most of your cuts lasted 2 or 3 seconds at most. If it was me I would have made each of the cuts long enough to absorb, no shorter than about 6 seconds for anything more complicated than a street sign. It may just be me, but I like to view the details of what is presented, and it's not possible for me to do that in 2 to 3 seconds.

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Oct 5, 2017 20:46:56   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Bobspez wrote:
Hi Bill, great photography and subject matter, but I have trouble viewing and absorbing fast cuts. I think most of your cuts lasted 2 or 3 seconds at most. If it was me I would have made each of the cuts long enough to absorb, no shorter than about 6 seconds for anything more complicated than a street sign. It may just be me, but I like to view the details of what is presented, and it's not possible for me to do that in 2 to 3 seconds.


Thanks for the suggestion. I've been trying to figure out the duration thing for several years. I've watched a lot of videos, TV shows, etc and timed the cuts. I've become convinced that you have a maximum of three minutes and all the clips have to be short. If not, most viewers quickly move on to something else. It may be that we, as a population, have been trained to watch ads and they move very quickly.

There is also the difference in viewers. Photographers want to see an image long enough to analyze it. Others want a quick taste of the experience and want to move on.

For what it's worth, Vimeo reports that I've had 80 plays on the first in my travel series of shorts and 38 plays on my second. Yours is the single suggestion to slow down while a few have said they like the fast pace. Most, of course, don't comment.

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Oct 5, 2017 21:42:06   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
It could be my age. I have noticed and not liked the tendency toward quick cuts for years. Most people are probably trained to view them that way.
In a one hour TV show there are often 50 to 60 commercials. People have gotten used to it. Esthetically I love the long cuts of the 1940's black and white movies and the slow dissolve cuts (usually 2 to 3 seconds for a dissolve). I also listen to 1940's and 1950's radio crime dramas at night so I'm definitely not in the mainstram.

I don't think there is any way to know how long a viewer has viewed a video you post. I've got about 35,000 views for 24 videos I posted on youtube, but less than a couple of dozen comments. I only make videos that I like to the best of my ability. Whether anyone else likes them (other than a handful of facebook friends) is besides the point.

Bob

bsprague wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion. I've been trying to figure out the duration thing for several years. I've watched a lot of videos, TV shows, etc and timed the cuts. I've become convinced that you have a maximum of three minutes and all the clips have to be short. If not, most viewers quickly move on to something else. It may be that we, as a population, have been trained to watch ads and they move very quickly.

There is also the difference in viewers. Photographers want to see an image long enough to analyze it. Others want a quick taste of the experience and want to move on.

For what it's worth, Vimeo reports that I've had 80 plays on the first in my travel series of shorts and 38 plays on my second. Yours is the single suggestion to slow down while a few have said they like the fast pace. Most, of course, don't comment.
Thanks for the suggestion. I've been trying to fi... (show quote)

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Oct 6, 2017 06:57:57   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Bobspez wrote:
It could be my age. I have noticed and not liked the tendency toward quick cuts for years. Most people are probably trained to view them that way.
In a one hour TV show there are often 50 to 60 commercials. People have gotten used to it. Esthetically I love the long cuts of the 1940's black and white movies and the slow dissolve cuts (usually 2 to 3 seconds for a dissolve). I also listen to 1940's and 1950's radio crime dramas at night so I'm definitely not in the mainstram.

I don't think there is any way to know how long a viewer has viewed a video you post. I've got about 35,000 views for 24 videos I posted on youtube, but less than a couple of dozen comments. I only make videos that I like to the best of my ability. Whether anyone else likes them (other than a handful of facebook friends) is besides the point.

Bob
It could be my age. I have noticed and not liked t... (show quote)

Bob,

I've watched a few of your videos and enjoyed the unique style and content. For example, my most recent "Tallinn Estonia" has 40 plays, zero finishes, 3 downloads but viewers make it to an average of 91%. Apparently they watch most of it but quit before they finish the credits. I think most of my views are personal friends or family members.

I use Vimeo instead of YouTube. Vimeo does help. It will show the account holder "Views", "Finishes", number of downloads and an "Ave Percentage Watched".

Bill

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Oct 6, 2017 12:20:09   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Thanks Bill. I think your stats are very good. Unless it's someone who knows you, or you are a super star, people just flip through the content.
That's why I say I just do it for myself and my friend who I play with and less than a handful of friends and relatives. Much of it is cringeworthy but some isn't bad. But it was all fun to make.

I didn't realize I could get stats on the videos but I found google analytics provides them for youtube videos.
I did a screen shot of my stats. Since most of my videos are 3 to 5 minutes, an average viewing time of 69 seconds is probably 1/4 to 1/3 of the video.
I also got more comments and likes than I thought, and a dozen dislikes which I never noticed.

Happy movie making.

Bob



bsprague wrote:
Bob,

I've watched a few of your videos and enjoyed the unique style and content. For example, my most recent "Tallinn Estonia" has 40 plays, zero finishes, 3 downloads but viewers make it to an average of 91%. Apparently they watch most of it but quit before they finish the credits. I think most of my views are personal friends or family members.

I use Vimeo instead of YouTube. Vimeo does help. It will show the account holder "Views", "Finishes", number of downloads and an "Ave Percentage Watched".

Bill
Bob, br br I've watched a few of your videos and ... (show quote)


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Oct 23, 2017 18:19:41   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
bsprague wrote:
I was in Europe most of August. I came home with about 70 GB of footage and stills. My plan over the next weeks is to create a series of separate videos of about 60 to 90 seconds for each city on the trip.

This is the first of what should be about a dozen. But, progress will be interrupted by a road trip to Kentucky and back!

Compliments/suggestions are welcome. Be gentle with the harsh criticism. I'm old and sensitive and I know the competition for quality here is fierce!

One fun part of this first video is that the sound track was recorded live on site with a surprise organ concert. I pointed the camera at the floor and tried to aim the camera mics to the source. The organist could not be seen from where I was sitting.

(The thumbnail that Vimeo randomly picked is my wife of 49 years holding her brand new ZS100 that she bought for the trip. She sets it on iA and shoots JPEGS.)

98 seconds in Latvia:
https://vimeo.com/235100393
I was in Europe most of August. I came home with a... (show quote)


The soundtrack is great - Bach no less.

I think some slow pans and less abrupt transitions between shots would make a big difference.

Mike

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Aug 16, 2018 09:57:52   #
genocolo Loc: Vail and Gasparilla Island
 
Beautiful footage. I read recently that you should not use zoom feature in video. I must say that I was not in love with either the zoom or fast cuts. Otherwise, terrific and love the music.

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