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Aug 13, 2017 03:34:25   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
rpavich wrote:
Serious mental issues?

You read that, and you read his reasoning and what you got out of it is that he's got serious mental issues?


Wow.


I guess I do. The article made little rational sense to me. Something like Andy Warhol on LSD. Sorry, my opinion. My educational background is in Biology and Chemistry so marinating film like meat in a food recipe makes no sense. Is anyone else following this blog this far?

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Aug 13, 2017 03:40:15   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
lamiaceae wrote:
I guess I do. The article made little rational sense to me. Something like Andy Warhol on LSD. Sorry, my opinion. My educational background is in Biology and Chemistry so marinating film like meat in a food recipe makes no sense. Is anyone else following this blog this far?


Many. He's pretty well known in the Photography community. "So far" would be several years by the way.

But I'm still confused. You said he marinated film like meat which brings me back to...you did read it right? It had nothing to do with marinating for marinations sake.
His point was that (and it was a correct one) Photographers confuse the emotions had while shooting an image with the quality of the image itself and letting your film sit for quite a while helps stop that. I've also confused the experience of the shot with how good the image is, and I've also let film sit for months before developing it and it does help divorce one from the experience so that you can be more objective about the quality of an image.

It's a sound strategy and not at all like a mental health issue.

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Aug 13, 2017 03:50:53   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
rpavich wrote:
Many. He's pretty well known in the Photography community. "So far" would be several years by the way.

But I'm still confused. You said he marinated film like meat which brings me back to...you did read it right? It had nothing to do with marinating for marinations sake.
His point was that (and it was a correct one) Photographers confuse the emotions had while shooting an image with the quality of the image itself and letting your film sit for quite a while helps stop that. I've also confused the experience of the shot with how good the image is, and I've also let film sit for months before developing it and it does help divorce one from the experience so that you can be more objective about the quality of an image.

It's a sound strategy and not at all like a mental health issue.
Many. He's pretty well known in the Photography co... (show quote)


A strategy to...? No, I was not making a direct quote but doing my own editorializing. "Let them sit for a long time, when you let them “marinate” —..." I can read Ansel Adams philosophies on photography but Minor White would start to loose me. With connecting different emotions to different grey tone zones. Is it possible that I don't need to separate myself in time from various elements of photography? I'm not into using mind games on my self or others. "Photographers confuse the emotions had while shooting an image with the quality of the image itself and letting your film sit for quite a while helps stop that. I've also confused the experience of the shot with how good the image is..." I don't seem to have that problem, I think most of my shots are crap. I occasionally get an artistic capture that I like. And if anything I soften up on my work over time, not cut more out. And from viewing countless images of photos and paintings in books and museums (having worked at a museum), I know good from mediocre. Especially well in others art. Being a fan of Ansel Adams and Edward & Brett Weston, I tend to strive for the unobtainable in my images. And excel when I do in very different styles and subjects from those and many more master photographers.

With 164 cassettes I hope he included more than one calibration shot as they likely went through more than one batch of chemistry. But then like I initially said. With time, color shifts, so why calibrate anything? Anyone ever read the instructions for color films, especially the pro types? As I recall Kodak recommended processing Vericolor II or III (color negative) film with in hours of shooting it. So after a shoot I'd head to the photo shop before heading home. A year, really? Color film, unlike a Raw file, once screwed up stays screwed up. Kodachrome 25 was beautiful but unforgiving.

There is no connection between genius, creativity, popularity and sanity. Being a fan of Rock, Jazz and other styles of music I've seen that repeatedly since I began taking an interest in music in 1967. Jim Morrison, Syd Barrett, Iggy Pop, Marilyn Mason, etc., all quite mad but genius at their music art. And the same in the visual arts. It pays to be insane, but don't ask me to follow a technical procedure based on philosophy and not rational science. If you got something out of holding film for a year, I'm glad for you if that helps your photography, more power to you, but don't ask me to practice it.

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Aug 13, 2017 05:00:36   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
How did we get so far from the original question?

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Aug 13, 2017 05:13:40   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
lamiaceae wrote:
How did we get so far from the original question?

It all started after someone mentioned Costco!

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Aug 13, 2017 07:53:37   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Yes, sounded very eccentric. Serious mental issues. It is fairly common for artists to be crazy. Van Gogh and Syd Barrett come to mind. It is funny then, I can remember taking most of my images, many over thirty years ago. Should I have waited to edit them for fifty years?

Even though you and I might not choose to delay our film processing as long as the article describes, the author is actually quite rational and he presents some good ideas.

There may theoretically be the potential for loss of quality from waiting to process (even with B&W), there is probably more at risk by using Costco to save money than there is in delaying the processing. It also depends on the subject matter. It's not going to affect casual photography as much as it would landscape or studio work.

As for waiting fifty years to edit your images, you may overlooking the fact that you [should] have learned something in the interim that would make the final result better than it would have been originally.

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Aug 13, 2017 09:59:54   #
DaveC1 Loc: South East US
 
rpavich wrote:
Check this out: he shot for a year and then took all of his film at once to costco

http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2015/03/23/what-i-learned-processing-164-rolls-of-film-after-waiting-a-year/


Great article. I'm going to check out some of the articles he recommends at the bottom of the page as well.

Thanks!

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Aug 13, 2017 21:14:17   #
cherylpeters Loc: Kentucky
 
Thank you all for the longggg forum. 😂

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Aug 13, 2017 22:13:36   #
AlfredU Loc: Mooresville, NC
 
Archiefamous wrote:
Haven't developed film in a long time but I used to develop Tri x in ordinal or hc 10 I think it was

That would be Rodinol or Kodak HC 110.

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Aug 13, 2017 23:06:38   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
AlfredU wrote:
That would be Rodinol or Kodak HC 110.

If you insist upon correct spelling, that would be Agfa Rodinal and Kodak HC-110.

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