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Jun 19, 2017 07:50:25   #
inbigd
 
I had the D5600 for a day, got it at Best Buy, it came with 2 of the newer type AF-P lens. I have a D610 already and previously had a D3200.

I didn't care for the layout of the touchscreen on the D5600 or for the AF-P lenses, just my opinion. I returned the camera.

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Jun 19, 2017 07:52:01   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
Ah, what a pity it is that none of us is perfect, both those who make a mild mistake and those who correct it.

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Jun 19, 2017 08:42:18   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
hrblaine wrote:
Apaflo wrote:
"If it took you more than a second to grasp the significance perhaps that explains the lack of logic in your comment, as opposed to mine... : - )

Have a cup of coffee!

JERK!"

If you guys want to fight, why don't you meet at a neutral site and duke it out? Or if one or both of you are cowards, take it to email instead of mucking up this thread? Or do you relish being known as 'holes?


Admin instituted The Attic. Maybe we also need The Ring.

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Jun 19, 2017 08:43:27   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
ELNikkor wrote:
D5600!


Yes, I've heard rumors about that.

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Jun 19, 2017 09:03:04   #
cmcaroffino Loc: Sebring, FL
 
I am a Nikon user so would go with the D5600. I had a D5500 and a Canon 6T and while I liked the canon I preferred the Nikon. Just my personnel preference, others would prefer the canon, it comes down to what you like.

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Jun 19, 2017 09:19:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Yes, I've heard rumors about that.


Wow! I was joking. I forgot that we already have the D5600. They keep coming so fast!

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Jun 19, 2017 10:04:41   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
radhome wrote:
Both the T7i and D5600 are in my price range


If you drop back to the D5500 you are more likely to find a Nikon refurb. They are the best deal. I don't see you lose anything with a D5500. You'll save enough for another lens.

Cameta ups the refurb warranty to a year for free.

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Jun 19, 2017 10:39:24   #
edfgrf1951 Loc: Chatsworth Ga.
 
There is a D5600 on the for sale classifieds site here. The price is good and I have dealt with that person before. it might be someting to look at.

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Jun 19, 2017 12:21:08   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
jeffhacker wrote:
Since you're using a Nikon D50, what lenses do you have. The D50 lenses will work with a new Nikon as well, so you might want to consider a refurb "body only" Nikon D7200, and use the lenses you have, assuming they are adequate (I would suggest even the "kit" lenses as being okay for what you indicate you're doing. If not, then look at both and hold both - Canon and Nikon are both roughly comparable in quality, and do the same thing so whichever feels better to you is a good bet.

You might also want to look into a used camera - check eBay and also the "ABC" camera stores on the internet (Adorama, B&H, and Cameta). I've purchased refurbished from all and been satisfied.

One other possibility might be a Four Thirds (mirrorless) camera - Olympus and Panasonic, specifically, both make good cameras, comparable to the Nikon and Canon, which are smaller and take excellent pictures. Different format, but both should be great, especially since you've said you have looked at Sony. (I use a Nikon D7200, have a f/1.4 Prime lens and a f/3.5-5.6 18-200mm zoom which I use almost all the time, and I also have an Olympus OM-D-EM5 Mark II which I frequently travel with, as it is about half the size of the Nikon, takes comparable pictures).

Jeff
Since you're using a Nikon D50, what lenses do you... (show quote)


I agree. I would go for the D7200 body, even one refurbished, and use the lenses you have. I think if you buy the D5600 you will always wonder why you did not go for the D7200.

Definitely go Nikon.

Dennis

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Jun 19, 2017 12:40:10   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
I disagree with some previous responses calling one camera or the other "better". Frankly, they are both extremely capable and would be significant upgrades for you, coming from older models that you're now using. The D5600 and T7i themselves are probably more similar than they are different. What might be a bigger consideration are the systems and corporations behind each camera.

The problem with asking a "Nikon versus Canon" question on a forum such as this is that you'll get fanboyz and fangirlz weighing in favoring whatever brand THEY chose.... whether that's "right" or "best" for you or not.

I am unabashedly a Canon user and fan... have used their modern system for 15 years, would probably choose Canon again today if I were just starting out and have no plans to change systems in the future. I like the feel, ergonomics, control layout and menus of Canon cameras better... though I'm sure with practice I could be just as comfortable with Nikon gear.

Canon T7i can fully use and is completely compatible with any and all EF and EF-S lenses produced the last 30 years. You can't say the same with Nikon D5600. With all D5000 and D3000 series cameras, if you want autofocus you are somewhat limited to AF-S and AF-P lenses that have in-lens focus drive motors. That actually includes the majority of Nikon lenses now because they've been gradually converting their lenses to those types. But Nikon has in the past made a lot and still makes some lenses that don't have a built-in motor, that rely upon one built into the camera body to autofocus. (This includes some third party lenses... such as the early Tokina 11-16mm and 12-24mm, as well as the current Tokina 100mm macro lens.... which in the Nikon version don't have an in-lens motor and can only autofocus on D7000 and higher models.)

The Nikon camera can use many vintage, pre-autofocus Nikon lenses. The Nikon F-mount bayonet has been in continuous use since 1959. Canon changed their mount in the late 1980s and essentially "orphaned" their earlier lenses... HOWEVER, via adapters modern Canon can use Nikon (and other mount) vintage lenses quite well. So, if you happen to have any vintage, pre-autofocus Nikon mount lenses, they can be used pretty equally well on both cameras. But if you have vintage Pentax, Leica R, Olympus or several others, they can be used on Canon, but not on the Nikon.

Because of the above, it might be a consideration what lenses you have for each system now. If you were hoping to use them but they need to be replaced along with the camera, lenses can add a whole lot to the overall cost.

There's no disputing the potential quality of either system. Both offer deep, well-developed systems. Be sure to look beyond the initial purchase at other items you might want or need, now or in the future. Aside from the initial "bundles", where Nikon often is a few dollars cheaper, I think you'll find with many comparable items that Nikon tend to be more expensive. For example, Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS USM II lens costs about $2000.... While the Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G FX VR FL costs around $2800. Or, Canon has two popular and very good ultrawide zooms for APS-C crop cameras such as the T7i.... an EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-5.6 USM for $600 and more recently a budget EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM ($280). The most comparable Nikkor AF-S 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5G DX and AF-S 12-24mm f/4G IF-ED DX respectively sell for $800 and $1150! Nikon has very recently announced a new, budget Nikkor AF-P 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G VR DX that's not yet in stores and will sell for $307 when it arrives. Or, look at the system flashes: Canon 600EX II "RT" is currently selling for $480... while the most comparable Nikon SB-5000 AF Speedlight costs nearly $600. You can find numerous other examples comparing the systems, some with less and others with greater difference.... But usually the Nikon gear is more expensive.

There also are some differences in support services. In general, Canon factory service and repair dept. gets very high marks and lots of mostly positive reviews. Nikon... not so much. Several years ago Nikon USA implemented a policy where they will only sell most replacement parts to their own network of authorized repair facilities... limiting your choices to about 20. Canon freely sells spare parts to any and all repairers.... which probably number in the hundreds or thousands when you include all independents. There is now sort of an underground black market of Nikon repair parts, recycling used items and distributing third party-manufactured clones of some parts, but even with that it can be difficult to have repairs done outside of Nikon's tightly held network. Purportedly Nikon implemented this policy to assure quality repairs.... but one can't help but wonder if the more monopolistic approach also allows them to control and dictate repair charges and replacement part prices. With the very high reliability of today's cameras, lenses and accessories... this might not be any concern to most buyers.

Finally, Canon is a much larger corporation. Nikon's 2015 gross sales worldwide were about 860 billion yen.... but Canon's were 4X greater at 3.8 trillion yen. Also in 2015, Canon employed slightly more than 190,000 people world.... while Nikon employed about 25,400. In fact, more recent financial reports suggest that Nikon is having some difficulties and some of their divisions are struggling. There are several news stories about this online, some even rumor that the Japanese government might intervene and has discussed some sort of assistance from Fujifilm (at 2.5 trillion yen, also a much larger corp. than Nikon). Canon's larger and more diverse company has weathered various recent photo market changes a bit better and they've been able to maintained their #1 market position, in spite of seeing somewhat slower sales and profits reduced in certain divisions.

If all the reports are true, hopefully Nikon will recover well and be able to continue offering high quality products well into the future. I'm pretty confident they will, but right now I have a little more faith in Canon's ability to doing so. However, Canon users like me benefit a lot from the competition between these companies, as well as from Sony, Pentax, Olympus and all the other manufacturers of photography gear.

In the end, you're actually pretty unlikely to ever see any problems or issues I've mentioned. I know plenty of folks quite happy with both Canon and Nikon (or other) gear and am sure you would have the potential to make great photos either system... and that's what really counts. Go check out the cameras in a store... or flip a coin!

Oh, and beware of "bundles". They can be a good deal... especially "manufacturer" or "major retailer" (B&H, Adorama and a few others) bundles.

But they also can be a rip off. For example, I often see Canon EF 75-300mm lens (non-IS, non-USM verison) offered in bundles... and I'd avoid that particular lens. The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM is only a little more expensive and is a MUCH better lens in many ways. Possibly even better are one of several EF 70-300mm IS USM models, although of course they cost more.

Another example, I noticed a Canon 80D two-lens bundle at Costco had substituted a less expensive EF-S 18-55mm IS STM lens for the better, 2X to 4X faster focusing EF-S 18-135mm IS USM lens that's more typically sold in kit with that camera. Buyers might never realize the difference.... Think they were getting a great deal, although actually they're getting a much cheaper lens.

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Jun 19, 2017 12:59:37   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
amfoto1 wrote:
I disagree with some previous responses calling one camera or the other "better". Frankly, they are both extremely capable and would be significant upgrades for you, coming from older models that you're now using. The D5600 and T7i themselves are probably more similar than they are different. What might be a bigger consideration are the systems and corporations behind each camera.

The problem with asking a "Nikon versus Canon" question on a forum such as this is that you'll get fanboyz and fangirlz weighing in favoring whatever brand THEY chose.... whether that's "right" or "best" for you or not.

I am unabashedly a Canon user and fan... have used their modern system for 15 years, would probably choose Canon again today if I were just starting out and have no plans to change systems in the future. I like the feel, ergonomics, control layout and menus of Canon cameras better... though I'm sure with practice I could be just as comfortable with Nikon gear.

Canon T7i can fully use and is completely compatible with any and all EF and EF-S lenses produced the last 30 years. You can't say the same with Nikon D5600. With all D5000 and D3000 series cameras, if you want autofocus you are somewhat limited to AF-S and AF-P lenses that have in-lens focus drive motors. That actually includes the majority of Nikon lenses now because they've been gradually converting their lenses to those types. But Nikon has in the past made a lot and still makes some lenses that don't have a built-in motor, that rely upon one built into the camera body to autofocus. (This includes some third party lenses... such as the early Tokina 11-16mm and 12-24mm, as well as the current Tokina 100mm macro lens.... which in the Nikon version don't have an in-lens motor and can only autofocus on D7000 and higher models.)

The Nikon camera can use many vintage, pre-autofocus Nikon lenses. The Nikon F-mount bayonet has been in continuous use since 1959. Canon changed their mount in the late 1980s and essentially "orphaned" their earlier lenses... HOWEVER, via adapters modern Canon can use Nikon (and other mount) vintage lenses quite well. So, if you happen to have any vintage, pre-autofocus Nikon mount lenses, they can be used pretty equally well on both cameras. But if you have vintage Pentax, Leica R, Olympus or several others, they can be used on Canon, but not on the Nikon.

Because of the above, it might be a consideration what lenses you have for each system now. If you were hoping to use them but they need to be replaced along with the camera, lenses can add a whole lot to the overall cost.

There's no disputing the potential quality of either system. Both offer deep, well-developed systems. Be sure to look beyond the initial purchase at other items you might want or need, now or in the future. Aside from the initial "bundles", where Nikon often is a few dollars cheaper, I think you'll find with many comparable items that Nikon tend to be more expensive. For example, Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS USM II lens costs about $2000.... While the Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G FX VR FL costs around $2800. Or, Canon has two popular and very good ultrawide zooms for APS-C crop cameras such as the T7i.... an EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-5.6 USM for $600 and more recently a budget EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM ($280). The most comparable Nikkor AF-S 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5G DX and AF-S 12-24mm f/4G IF-ED DX respectively sell for $800 and $1150! Nikon has very recently announced a new, budget Nikkor AF-P 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G VR DX that's not yet in stored, and will cost $307 when it arrives. Or, look at the system flashes: Canon 600EX II "RT" is currently selling for $480... while the most comparable Nikon SB-5000 AF Speedlight costs nearly $600. You can find numerous other examples comparing the systems, some with less and others with greater difference.... But usually the Nikon gear is more expensive.

There also are differences in support services. In general, Canon factory service and repair dept. gets very high marks and positive reviews. Nikon... not so much. Several years ago Nikon USA implemented a policy where they will only sell most replacement parts to their authorized repair facilities... limiting your choices to about 20. Canon freely sells spare parts to any and all repairers.... which probably number in the hundreds or thousands when you include all independents. There is now sort of an underground black market of Nikon repair parts, recycling used items and distributing third party-manufactured clones of some parts, but even with that it can be difficult to have repairs done outside of Nikon's tightly held network. Purportedly Nikon implemented this policy to assure quality repairs.... but one can't help but wonder if the more monopolistic approach also allows them to control and dictate repair charges and replacement part prices. With the very high reliability of today's cameras, lenses and accessories... this might not be any concern to most buyers.

Finally, Canon is a much larger corporation. Nikon's 2015 gross sales worldwide were about 860 billion yen.... but Canon's were 4X greater at 3.8 trillion yen. Also in 2015, Canon employed slightly more than 190,000 people world.... while Nikon employed about 25,400. In fact, more recent financial reports suggest that Nikon is having some difficulties and some of their divisions are struggling. There are several news stories about this online, some even rumor that the Japanese government might intervene and has discussed some sort of assistance from Fujifilm (at 2.5 trillion yen, also a much larger corp. than Nikon). Canon's larger and more diverse company has weathered various recent photo market changes a bit better and they've been able to maintained their #1 market position, in spite of seeing somewhat slower sales and profits reduced in certain divisions.

If all the reports are true, hopefully Nikon will recover well and be able to continue offering high quality products well into the future. I'm pretty confident they will, but right now I have a little more faith in Canon's ability to doing so. However, Canon users like me benefit from the competition between these companies, as well as Sony, Pentax, Olympus and all the other manufacturers of photography gear.
I disagree with some previous responses calling on... (show quote)


Obviously you are a fanboy of Canon. Those of us who like Nikon do so because many of us have used the Nikon brand for many years (or not) and feel we have made a wise and a best choice.

Personally I don't care that Canon is said to have a better repair record than Nikon as out of maybe 15-20 Nikons I have owned since 1966 I have NEVER had a Nikon lens, camera or anything named Nikon that ever needed a repair. Maybe Canon has a great repair record because they do a lot more repairs than Nikon.

You say the Canon feels better to you. Of course you know that the human body is adaptable. We are able to pick up just about any hand held object and we will adapt to it very quickly whether it is a camera, knife, or maybe a firearm. When I go to my local camera store to look at cameras I sometimes look at a 5D-4. Nice camera but it feels like a box to me. Could I adapt to use it? Of course, given time.

You mention the rumored Nikon financial woes. Should we all get rid of our Nikons and buy Canon? I doubt I will do that. So far just rumors to my knowledge. Canon is a bigger company because it has more pots in the fire such as printers and copiers. No big deal there.

I am glad you are enjoying your Canon. They are a fantastic camera. But so is the Nikon I enjoy.

Dennis

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Jun 19, 2017 13:46:02   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Obviously you are a fanboy of Canon. Those of us who like Nikon do so because many of us have used the Nikon brand for many years (or not) and feel we have made a wise and a best choice...


I said I was a Canon fanboy and user, right up front.

But I've also used Nikon gear in the past. In fact I still have two FM2n, two FE2 and a couple FG in my vintage collection, along with motor drives and a small kit of Nikkors.

dennis2146 wrote:
...Personally I don't care that Canon is said to have a better repair record than Nikon as out of maybe 15-20 Nikons I have owned since 1966 I have NEVER had a Nikon lens, camera or anything named Nikon that ever needed a repair. Maybe Canon has a great repair record because they do a lot more repairs than Nikon...


That's another thing I made an effort to point out... that a buyer is unlikely to ever need repair or warranty services. Both brands have very good records in that respect (and, no, Canon doesn't do "more repairs than Nikon")). But if they ever do need it, hopefully the service would be as pleasant an experience as possible.

dennis2146 wrote:
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You mention the rumored Nikon financial woes. Should we all get rid of our Nikons and buy Canon? I doubt I will do that. So far just rumors to my knowledge. Canon is a bigger company because it has more pots in the fire such as printers and copiers. No big deal there...


And Nikon makes rifle scopes & spotting scopes (both pretty good ones, IMO), precision optical instruments and other non-photographic items. Nikon also made a series of excellent film scanners (one of which I still use occasionally), while Canon has only made flat beds, AFAIK. It's a moot point... except that the larger and more diverse company will usually have more resources to weather and bounce back from downturns in certain divisions, and may offer greater opportunity for future research and development. Canon was a pioneer using fluorite in lenses, with Image Stabilization, using CMOS sensors (which they make themselves, while Nikon buys their sensors from Sony) and was years ahead of all the other manufacturers bringing full frame cameras to the market. Of course, Nikon has also been innovative, too. But in 2016 Canon was #3 in the world for number of U.S. patents filed: 3665. (IBM was #1, Samgsung #2.) 2016 was Canon's 31st consecutive that it ranked among the top 5 worldwide, if patent filings might be considered a measurement of innovation. Of course, a skeptic might point out that many companies file patents to block competitors and that many patented items never actually reach the market.

No, I'm not suggesting anyone dump either brand for the other. That's always an expensive proposition and inadvisable, which is why it's important to make a well-informed choice when starting from a relatively blank slate (such as the Original Poster appears to be doing).

dennis2146 wrote:

I am glad you are enjoying your Canon. They are a fantastic camera. But so is the Nikon I enjoy....


Again, we agree and that's as I stated at least two or three times in my earlier response.

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Jun 19, 2017 14:00:27   #
Joburg
 
Hi. I've been reading a lot of reviews recently. It might interest you to know that they say the only real difference between 5500 and 5600 is Snapbridge. You might want to check that out because if snapbridge not important to you you could save some money. I always use Nikon so can't offer anything else re Canon. Happy shopping

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Jun 19, 2017 14:04:59   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
What lenses do you already have?. If you have a slew of Nikon glass it is still very good you probably would not need to get the newest lenses there is nothing wrong with older glass they are made to last longer than the cameras by years and years. Same goes for Canon as long as it is the same mount though there are adaptors available.
radhome wrote:
I am debating between the Nikon D5600 and the Canon Rebel T7i

I have been using a Nikon D50 and a Canon Rebel T1i and looking to upgrade in the next week. I put more emphasis on stills and very rarely do video, close to never. The Nikon bundle I am looking at is more inexpensive than the Canon's and includes more accessories and equipment, I am leaning more towards the Nikon since I will receive more for my money. Both cameras seem pretty similar to me overall but I would like to hear from more experienced photographers. I wouldn't say I am a beginner but I am a college Art major who wants (more like desperately needs) an upgrade since I did all I could do with my other cameras but don't want to go into debt. I don't need the newest and the best, but something reliable and cost effective. Any advice is welcome!

Thank you!

PS, the Nikon D7200, although is available as a refurb, isn't something I will be able to afford with the lenses and everything else on top of the body. The Sony Alphas are also quite pricey when looking into the lenses and other equipment plus has less options than Canon and Nikon, so I would prefer to stick to the two options I have asked about, thanks again!!! :)
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Jun 19, 2017 14:42:28   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Again, we agree and that's as I stated at least two or three times in my earlier response.


Yes sir, we do agree. I was not trying to necessarily be disagreeable but pointing out some good points of Nikon while not pointing out any bad points of Canon. Actually I couldn't because I have owned some Canon cameras in the past and liked them, a Canon Pellix way back and more recently a G-10. Great cameras.

Dennis

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