Nikon, Canon and the new Sony a9 (Page 3): Those Nikon cameras you love ALL have Sony sensors in them. :sm10: EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. :sm17: Love the images you get from your Nikons?

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

Dalek wrote:

I cannot imagine a better image than the ones I ge... (show quote)

Those Nikon cameras you love ALL have Sony sensors in them.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

Love the images you get from your Nikons? Well, the company that developed the technology to help you GET those images is making some of the best cameras ever produced. The A9 is just the latest example.

Like your D5? Well, the A9 is half the weight, has higher resolution, better low light performance, a better AF tracking system, AF points that cover the entire field of view (93%), shoots at nearly TWICE the frame rate WITH full AF and AE but WITHOUT blackout, and it costs $2000 LESS.

There are a LOT of people who will be convinced by this...

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

Festus wrote:

Most people when they read the specs don't pay attention to the footnotes. Many of the so called wow features of the A9 have a footnote to them that takes some of that wow away. We will have to wait and see until the camera gets into the hands of many pro shooters to see if the camera can meet those wow features.

This is not a brand new camera. It has been in development for the last 3.5 years. IT was used during the Summer Olympics and this past NFL season.

It was in the hands of pro shooters and it MET those wow features.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

CHOLLY wrote:

Peter, Minolta was one of the top three. And in th... (show quote)

Yes, I know all of that, it is old news and not relevant.

wmurnahan Loc: Bloomington IN

Erik_H wrote:

With Sony's announcement of the a9 and it's very impressive spec sheet I can't help but wonder if Nikon and Canon are ever going to respond with a serious mirrorless camera. The a9 looks to be aimed at pro, full frame shooters and I think it could really take a bite out of the DSLR market. While I have no plans to go mirrorless -hell, I still shoot film- I'd like to hear other's thoughts on the issue.

I don't see any advantage to a DSLR except you don't need to turn it on to look through it, other wise you don't see the exposure of you photo, you don't see the depth of field, it is heavier with more moving parts to cause vibrations. What advantage does a DSLR have over a mirrorless? I don't see any.

crphoto8 Loc: Anaheim, California

I'll never, ever get the a9. It's too expensive for a hobbyist, not just the body but the entire universe - lenses, flash, accessories, etc. Then there's the weight issue - I'm considering a move to a mirror-less system to reduce the weight of my Canon 5D Mk3, 3 L lenses etc. I do, however, see the advantage in the pro market where the a9 can compete especially on price. It's a niche market so it may be more a matter of prestige to hold a top place in the market.

Erik_H wrote:

With Sony's announcement of the a9 and it's very impressive spec sheet I can't help but wonder if Nikon and Canon are ever going to respond with a serious mirrorless camera. The a9 looks to be aimed at pro, full frame shooters and I think it could really take a bite out of the DSLR market. While I have no plans to go mirrorless -hell, I still shoot film- I'd like to hear other's thoughts on the issue.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Erik_H wrote:

With Sony's announcement of the a9 and it's very impressive spec sheet I can't help but wonder if Nikon and Canon are ever going to respond with a serious mirrorless camera. The a9 looks to be aimed at pro, full frame shooters and I think it could really take a bite out of the DSLR market. While I have no plans to go mirrorless -hell, I still shoot film- I'd like to hear other's thoughts on the issue.

This camera and most of the line of smaller Sony's just don't feel right in my hands. I shoot long lenses and the camera is just too small for me. Plus no PROFESSIONAL fast telephoto lenses are available in the E mount yet. So, to appeal to pro's a bigger body and a stable of telephoto 2.8's are needed.

Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA

Erik_H wrote:

With Sony's announcement of the a9 and it's very impressive spec sheet I can't help but wonder if Nikon and Canon are ever going to respond with a serious mirrorless camera. The a9 looks to be aimed at pro, full frame shooters and I think it could really take a bite out of the DSLR market. While I have no plans to go mirrorless -hell, I still shoot film- I'd like to hear other's thoughts on the issue.

I love my a6300 and mirrorless (MILC) but $4500 puts it in the Pro stratosphere. And that's without a lens. That said, the specs say it is an industry shaker.

Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA

billnikon wrote:

This camera and most of the line of smaller Sony's just don't feel right in my hands. I shoot long lenses and the camera is just too small for me. Plus no PROFESSIONAL fast telephoto lenses are available in the E mount yet. So, to appeal to pro's a bigger body and a stable of telephoto 2.8's are needed.

Not quite true. There are many great lenses, but not Sony branded.

azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.

CHOLLY wrote:

Peter, Sony was one of the pioneers of the digital photography industry. Their first still digital was produced back in 1981 and it was revolutionary for the time. In effect, SONY dictated the market and gave film manufacturers the incentive to get into consumer oriented digital photography.

Look it up.

I purchased a Sony F717 back in 1999 or so. The lens was Zeiss, and I got spoiled on IQ. So Peter, your 2006 comment was misinformed. What everyone else is missing here is that the same technology that makes the A9 so superior, has been brewing all along in the A7 and A6000 series cameras, even going back to the Nex-7. So marketing wise, the A9 is aimed at the pros, but everyone has and will benefit from the R&D that Sony has been investing in. That is top to bottom in the line, and the glass is following rapidly. There are now no "holes" in the offering! (Except for you non-translucent mirror addicts)

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

CHOLLY wrote:

Peter, Sony was one of the pioneers of the digital photography industry. Their first still digital was produced back in 1981 and it was revolutionary for the time. In effect, SONY dictated the market and gave film manufacturers the incentive to get into consumer oriented digital photography.

Look it up.

Cholly, you are not a professional research person. You come across as a shill for Sony. Do they pay you or are you just gullible?

Although there are many sources of information on the internet and some are dependable and some are not, the preponderance of information does not point towards Sony as being a significant pioneer, a contributor yes, but primarily from an analogue video perspective, just using digital recording of analogue signals. http://www.cnet.com/news/photos-the-history-of-the-digital-camera/ This is just one example.

If you wish to make a point of this, then you need to cite viable references. Other than that, you are welcome to your somewhat biased opinion, or to use alternative facts.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Erik_H wrote:

With Sony's announcement of the a9 and it's very impressive spec sheet I can't help but wonder if Nikon and Canon are ever going to respond with a serious mirrorless camera. The a9 looks to be aimed at pro, full frame shooters and I think it could really take a bite out of the DSLR market. While I have no plans to go mirrorless -hell, I still shoot film- I'd like to hear other's thoughts on the issue.

Great specs. I see trouble ahead for Nikon on all fronts. Sony only needs to catch up with Canon L series lenses and then they will be in serious trouble. Is the viewfinder fast enough in refresh rate for pro use? If so then Nikon is doomed to distant 3rd place in the pro market and Canon could be toppled from first if Sony puts together a complete pro package like Canon has with the L lenses and pro accessories.
Wow this is a real jump and has my interest now.

Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA

Haydon wrote:

I think you're also forgetting the APS-C sensor in the 80D as another example. Yes Canon has fluked their company to be number one for a long time and Amazon has been fluking Canon's 5D4 as the best selling full-frame since September of 2016. Don't you wish you were a fluke :)

Canon does a lot right, which makes it number one. That's no fluke. It's certainly not number one because of its sensors, and I stand by my remark that the 5d4's sensor is Canon's first (in recent years, anyway) to be excited about. Sure, the 80d has a good sensor -- by five-year-old standards (actually, it doesn't even perform as well as some six- or seven-year-old crop sensors), but it's a fine camera and Canon offers a great system with great customer support. Nobody's denying that. My statement was, and was only, that Canon is way behind Sony and Nikon proprietary in sensor performance. The 5d4 is its first sensor that really stands out and offers notable performance -- even though it's still beat by a five-year-old Nikon.

If Canon used Sony sensors, or if Canon made a comparable sensor, I'd probably shoot with Canon. Lord knows there are many reasons to. But I'm not a very good photographer and need all the help I can get, so having a good sensor and the latitude it offers to save my butt sometimes really helps.

azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.

Peterff wrote:

Cholly, you are not a professional research person... (show quote)

The very same article has as it's first illustration a Sony Mavica!!!!! No one said Sony was a previous innovator, but they are the "current" innovator!!!

wmurnahan Loc: Bloomington IN

Architect1776 wrote:

Great specs. I see trouble ahead for Nikon on all fronts. Sony only needs to catch up with Canon L series lenses and then they will be in serious trouble. Is the viewfinder fast enough in refresh rate for pro use? If so then Nikon is doomed to distant 3rd place in the pro market and Canon could be toppled from first if Sony puts together a complete pro package like Canon has with the L lenses and pro accessories.
Wow this is a real jump and has my interest now.

The only thing missing is a big telephoto. They have from wide to 400 covered pretty well.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

azted wrote:

The very same article has as it's first illustration a Sony Mavica!!!!! No one said Sony was a previous innovator, but they are the "current" innovator!!!

The Mavica is not a digital still camera. It is a video camera with a digital recording mechanism for still frames. Sony is certainly innovating now, but the long term market impact is completely uncertain. I'm not knocking Sony, just suggesting that market outcomes are very frequently not the same as individual achievements in technical innovation. If they were Kodak would now dominate the digital photography market.

Kodak who you may ask!