Mirror-less vs. other
Apr 21, 2017 13:30:55 #
Delderby wrote:
In the not so distant future DSLRs will be regarded as museum pieces. 
So will I!
The closest thing I have to mirrorless (I guess it is) is a Sony RX10 iii. My biggest issue was the viewfinder lag. That was until somebody here was nice enough to tell me to turn off the image preview. Duh!
If Nikon, or somebody else, comes out with a camera that will be happy using my Nikkor lenses and operates with controls similar to what I'm used to, I would consider a mirrorless camera. I'm just to invested in Nikon and get satisfactory results to change just to have something new. Time will tell.
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Apr 21, 2017 14:04:05 #
Bill_de wrote:
If Nikon...
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If Nikon...
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Bwahahahahaha...if Nikon...made me laugh, thinking that nikon would actually do something like that. Don't hold your breath...perhaps 5 years from now they'll have a viable solution.
Apr 21, 2017 14:47:40 #
Cdouthitt wrote:
Bwahahahahaha...if Nikon...made me laugh, thinking that nikon would actually do something like that. Don't hold your breath...perhaps 5 years from now they'll have a viable solution.
Thank you Carnac!
Apr 21, 2017 15:08:01 #
Bill_de wrote:
So will I!
The closest thing I have to mirrorless (I guess it is) is a Sony RX10 iii. My biggest issue was the viewfinder lag.
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The closest thing I have to mirrorless (I guess it is) is a Sony RX10 iii. My biggest issue was the viewfinder lag.
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You are talking about old technology. You don't have a CPM computer any more, and I don't have viewfinder lag on my XT-2 any more, any more than I have mirror slap, like I have on my Nikons.
Apr 21, 2017 15:34:51 #
Apr 21, 2017 16:15:26 #
CatMarley wrote:
You are talking about old technology. You don't have a CPM computer any more, and I don't have viewfinder lag on my XT-2 any more, any more than I have mirror slap, like I have on my Nikons.
I believe from what I wrote it was clear that viewfinder lag was not a concern of mine. Maybe not ...
Apr 21, 2017 16:57:57 #
Bill_de wrote:
I believe from what I wrote it was clear that viewfinder lag was not a concern of mine. Maybe not ...
I guess I failed to realize that this statement indicated viewfinder lag was not an issue: "The closest thing I have to mirrorless (I guess it is) is a Sony RX10 iii. My biggest issue was the viewfinder lag." Sorry if I misinterpreted your statement.
Apr 21, 2017 17:15:13 #
Sony just came out with the a9 which is supposed to be the cat's meow....for those who listen to their Cats that is ! 
Apr 21, 2017 21:31:28 #
CatMarley wrote:
I guess I failed to realize that this statement indicated viewfinder lag was not an issue: "The closest thing I have to mirrorless (I guess it is) is a Sony RX10 iii. My biggest issue was the viewfinder lag." Sorry if I misinterpreted your statement.
The next sentence was:
"That was until somebody here was nice enough to tell me to turn off the image preview."
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Apr 21, 2017 23:11:13 #
markjay wrote:
yes - for all those vested in DSLR's - you will find that you are in the dark ages within 3 years.
No different than those that thought film would dominate forever.
You cant stop the progress and you are hanging on to old tech if you dont move on to a mirrorless
No different than those that thought film would dominate forever.
You cant stop the progress and you are hanging on to old tech if you dont move on to a mirrorless
I do think that some form of mirrorless cameras will eventually take over, but three years is way too short a time frame for this kind of transition, ten years possibly, but even that is a stretch given the current state of the technology.
Apr 22, 2017 10:22:14 #
Bill_de wrote:
The next sentence was:
"That was until somebody here was nice enough to tell me to turn off the image preview."
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"That was until somebody here was nice enough to tell me to turn off the image preview."
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And image preview on a modern Fuji is what everyone wants and uses, and it does not involve any noticable lag, which was my point. The lag with a modern Fuji is .005 sec. which, granted, is the time it takes for light to travel 1.5 million miles, but is still much faster than the human eye can detect.
Apr 22, 2017 11:27:16 #
CatMarley wrote:
And image preview on a modern Fuji is what everyone wants and uses, and it does not involve any noticable lag, which was my point. The lag with a modern Fuji is .005 sec. which, granted, is the time it takes for light to travel 1.5 million meters, but is still much faster than the human eye can detect.
That should be meters, not miles
Apr 22, 2017 13:57:23 #
" but three years is way too short a time frame for this kind of transition, ten years possibly, but even that is a stretch given the current state of the technology."
You may wish you had not made that statement. Loook at the amount of time that VHS tape was the prefered delivery method for movies viewed at home, then the amount of time that DVD ruled that roost, and now downloads reign supreme. I think only a fool would say downloads will be the delivery methods forever, and soon netflix will be on the auction block when it is rendered obsolete.
Mirrorless cameras were first introduced when the arc of camera size crossed the arc of parts counts/assembly complexity. It seems that the future of cameras will be a totally electronic system. We are in a time when cameras are largely controlled by Moore's law.
You may wish you had not made that statement. Loook at the amount of time that VHS tape was the prefered delivery method for movies viewed at home, then the amount of time that DVD ruled that roost, and now downloads reign supreme. I think only a fool would say downloads will be the delivery methods forever, and soon netflix will be on the auction block when it is rendered obsolete.
Mirrorless cameras were first introduced when the arc of camera size crossed the arc of parts counts/assembly complexity. It seems that the future of cameras will be a totally electronic system. We are in a time when cameras are largely controlled by Moore's law.
Apr 22, 2017 15:11:30 #
Bill P wrote:
" but three years is way too short a time fra... (show quote)
What? I don't think that you understood what I was saying, or have no comprehension of technology time arcs.
VHS was introduced in 1976. The last company that made VHS players stopped doing so in 2016. That's forty years if you need help counting.
DVDs, introduced in 1985 and still in regular use. Thirty plus years and still going.
Blu-ray, introduced in 2003 and still in regular use. ten plus years and still going.
Downloads? How many people still don't have access to broadband internet?
Netflix, you are completely out of touch. Pay attention. "Netflix is currently close to surpassing 100 million global subscribers..."
Moore's law, even though rumors of its demise are greatly exaggerated, the laws of physics are creeping up on it. Even Intel is having to play defense on Moore's law.
"Non, Rien de rien! Non, je ne regrette rien..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFtGfyruroU
Sir, you have no idea!
Apr 22, 2017 15:27:11 #
DVD's still in regular use? maybe in the third world. How many rental places are in your town not including red box? And what neighborhoods are red boxes located in? I love my old cameras, and on my list for this summer is to get out a couple of old film cameras and enjoy their ease of use and excellent results, but I'm not thinking either film or vinyl records will be mainstream anytime soon.
The fact of things is the pressure of manufacturing costs vs. what the market will bear ia fast bringing the demise of SLR cameras to an end. I'm by no means rich, but I scrimped and saved and got a Nikon D3 and a Leica M9, and I will keep one of the above for as long as it runs, but I think it will be an antique. It will be displayed on a shelf along with my Nikon F.
The fact of things is the pressure of manufacturing costs vs. what the market will bear ia fast bringing the demise of SLR cameras to an end. I'm by no means rich, but I scrimped and saved and got a Nikon D3 and a Leica M9, and I will keep one of the above for as long as it runs, but I think it will be an antique. It will be displayed on a shelf along with my Nikon F.
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