Shooting in RAW: I have started taking all my photos in RAW. Find that I have much more control when Editing. Use: (MAC) Photos, Aperture, Elements 12, Luminar Pluto and Aurora HDR...

wizbird Loc: Burnt Store Marina, Punta Gorda, Fl

I have started taking all my photos in RAW. Find that I have much more control when Editing. Use: (MAC) Photos, Aperture, Elements 12, Luminar Pluto and Aurora HDR 2017. After I edit and then save to my Library it is not clear if the Raw Photos are then converted to JPEG or TIFF. I get the feeling that I am leaving the editing undone; that I am missing a step. Could use some help.

Copeman

Luminar saves images you have worked on with a luminar extension, so you can reopen and continue working. Once you have finished your tweaking, you need to tell luminar to export the file? You then get to choose some format (jpg) and location.

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

wizbird wrote:

I have started taking all my photos in RAW. Find that I have much more control when Editing. Use: (MAC) Photos, Aperture, Elements 12, Luminar Pluto and Aurora HDR 2017. After I edit and then save to my Library it is not clear if the Raw Photos are then converted to JPEG or TIFF. I get the feeling that I am leaving the editing undone; that I am missing a step. Could use some help.

A raw file after being edited will remain a raw file as it came from the camera with a sidecar file that contains the edits - so if you delete the sidecar file the raw is back to what you started with. If you edit a raw file in an application like Photoshop, you can save it as several other formats, JPG, TIFF, PSD, etc, but then the original raw file still remains untouched and the saved as file represents the raw file as an exported copy with edits.

Normally a program like Lightroom, iPhotos or Photos will retain the original raw file, add sidecar files to contain edits or allow you to export jpg images which take the original raw and apply the edits to create the JPG.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

wizbird wrote:

I have started taking all my photos in RAW. Find that I have much more control when Editing. Use: (MAC) Photos, Aperture, Elements 12, Luminar Pluto and Aurora HDR 2017. After I edit and then save to my Library it is not clear if the Raw Photos are then converted to JPEG or TIFF. I get the feeling that I am leaving the editing undone; that I am missing a step. Could use some help.

Regardless what program I use for editing, I never over-write the raw file. I keep that for possible editing in the future. When I finish processing, I save the processed image as JPEG or TIFF and put it into the appropriate folder.

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

jerryc41 wrote:

Regardless what program I use for editing, I never over-write the raw file. I keep that for possible editing in the future. When I finish processing, I save the processed image as JPEG or TIFF and put it into the appropriate folder.

FWIW - I never save any JPG's - Lightroom easily exports a fresh JPG of the finished raw for me from the final edits. When I finish the image in Photoshop, a final TIFF is automatically left in Lightroom, stacked with my original raw and the edits that were done in Lightroom and the layers applied in Photoshop.

wizbird Loc: Burnt Store Marina, Punta Gorda, Fl

I am starting to get the idea. Thanks, all, for the help.

wizbird Loc: Burnt Store Marina, Punta Gorda, Fl

Am I the only one that has trouble grasping this concept?

Nikoncowboy Loc: Derby , Kansas

NO !!!!

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

Once edited, the format changes to jpeg, tiff, ... The only way to save the RAW (non - edited) is directly from the memory card. Of course Lightroom allows editing, without affecting the orginally stored RAW image on your drive.
Mark

wizbird wrote:

I have started taking all my photos in RAW. Find that I have much more control when Editing. Use: (MAC) Photos, Aperture, Elements 12, Luminar Pluto and Aurora HDR 2017. After I edit and then save to my Library it is not clear if the Raw Photos are then converted to JPEG or TIFF. I get the feeling that I am leaving the editing undone; that I am missing a step. Could use some help.

gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast

Dngallagher wrote:

A raw file after being edited will remain a raw fi... (show quote)

If I re-edit a RAW, I don't delete the sidecar file. I just reset all the previous edits back to their defaults. Only takes a few seconds.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Dngallagher wrote:

FWIW - I never save any JPG's - Lightroom easily exports a fresh JPG of the finished raw for me from the final edits. When I finish the image in Photoshop, a final TIFF is automatically left in Lightroom, stacked with my original raw and the edits that were done in Lightroom and the layers applied in Photoshop.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

markngolf wrote:

Once edited, the format changes to jpeg, tiff, ... The only way to save the RAW (non - edited) is directly from the memory card. Of course Lightroom allows editing, without affecting the orginally stored RAW image on your drive.
Mark

Are you sure that is correct? In my experience it is software dependent. It may be true in Adobe land, but other raw processing software doesn't always use side car files and can save modified raw files under a different file name which are still raw, but include different processing parameters, which can be retained or reset to the original raw file status. Some people here (certainly not just your good self) regularly assume that the camera system they use and the software they use is the only way that things are done, and then make comments as if they represent a universal truth, which frequently is not the case.

I would ask people to think and respond in generic rather than vendor specific terminology and concepts, unless the questions actually are vendor specific.

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

Perhaps I am incorrect. I tried the following experiment.
1. I opened a Canon CR2 file, from a memory card shot with 7D MII, in PSCC.
2. I did a simple edit by adjusting exposure
3. Saved it as the same file number in RAW format and added "b" to the name
4. Attempted to open the newly named file in PSCC.
5. I was not fully able to edit the file. Not really sure what happened and what the image file is.
I concluded that I could not save it as RAW. Is my conclusion erroneous?
Please explain
Thanks
Mark

markngolf wrote:

Once edited, the format changes to jpeg, tiff, ... The only way to save the RAW (non - edited) is directly from the memory card. Of course Lightroom allows editing, without affecting the orginally stored RAW image on your drive.
Mark

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

markngolf wrote:

Perhaps I am incorrect. I tried the following expe... (show quote)

If you used Canon DPP (which does not create side car files to my knowledge) then I have found that it works, which is why I say it is software dependent. Adobe has it's own conventions, and I believe that things may get lost in translation when transferring between different software packages, hence my belief that there is no universal solution. Even Canon's own software DPP3 and DPP4 behave differently. Nothing wrong with Adobe (I also have Adobe CC) but I notice differences in behavior. What you are saying may be perfectly correct for Adobe, but that is not a universal truth for all files, just how Adobe behaves.

Does that make sense? I'm not questioning your observations, just that it seems to be Adobe specific, not to all raw files, formats, or software.

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

Yes, that does explain the difference. Thank you for taking the time.
Mark

Peterff wrote:

If you used Canon DPP (which does not create side ... (show quote)