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Jan 11, 2017 20:43:55   #
whitewolfowner
 
TriX wrote:
Again with respect, hearsay. I have been building and using PCs since IBM released the specificationin the early 80s. Have I experienced unstable machines? Yes, but not in the last 15-20 years (back in the pre-XP, Windows for workgroups days). Have I ever acquired a virus? Once, in 30+years, and it was easily addressed. Why is that? Because I employ safe computing practices and everything that entails from firewalls to tools to avoiding unknown sites/emails/attachments, to maintaining snapshots and restore points to backup and DR, etc. I currently administer 6PCs, an IMac and 2 IPads, and the only unstable machines are the IPads which routinely crash. The 3 Windows 10 and 3 XP machines are rock solid. The IMac doesn't crash and I like the display and styling, but is dog slow (because of limited CPU and memory resources) and I haven't upgraded it because of the upgrade limitations, cost for those, and the difficulty of accessing the internals.

Let's just be balanced here. PCs are not all bad and Macs are all good or vice versa. Can't we just agree that both are reasonable platforms for their intended use without incorrectly demonizing either? This is like the Canon vs Nikon argument, and equally fruitless.
Again with respect, hearsay. I have been building ... (show quote)



I never said the mac is perfect and the PC is all evil. You have brought up a really good point here though and that is that those that are experienced in computing and know their way around the computing world and the internet are a lot less likely to have a virus problem with their computer. They know where to go and not where to go. But keep in mind, the key word here is experience and an experienced computer user would not be asking the Hogg what computer they should be buying to get into digital photography. New people to the computer world with little to no experience will be asking this. Those that know their way technically around a computer will know what they need or would know enough to figure it out for themselves. You have been using PC's for the last 35 years; obviously, you feel home on one and would want to do everything you do on a computer on one. I understand that completely. I know my way around a PC too; not as well as you do but I know them enough to know the challenges they present to someone starting out and a person that is starting out green or practically green on a computer, a mac is a lot easier to start out on and have to deal with than a PC. I don't always say everything I could when I reply; there is no reason for it; questions can be asked later and I'm glad to answer them if I can. Seems too many here take discussions and debates on a persona level and when they feel they are losing or being defeated they take it personal and attack with accusations. That's not we are doing here; at least I am not.

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Jan 11, 2017 20:49:40   #
whitewolfowner
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Piece of cake.

"Most PC users have their machines down as much as or more than they are up."

Got it?



That is the truth in many cases. The word "Most" may have been a little stiff or too powerful, but the truth is that most people that I know that have PC's are constantly (or a lot of times, if you prefer) having them go down for one reason or another. I know of this because anyone I know, or people that they know, that has computer problems, comes to me about it. I may just happen to be involved with a group of people that have extremely high maintenance issues but that is my experiences and in my world it is a true statement.

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Jan 11, 2017 22:17:47   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
We are talking two different things here; it's apples and oranges. To debate or discuss we have to be on the same flight. If you want to talk about architecture, we can but for security and usage of software without problems, the mac is the clear winner. Have to have a ground here to discuss. Let me know where you want to go with it.


I really don't think you are fully aware of what you speak. Let's leave it at that.

Let's see some of your pics and less verbiage.

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Jan 11, 2017 22:50:44   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
That is the truth in many cases. The word "Most" may have been a little stiff or too powerful, but the truth is that most people that I know that have PC's are constantly (or a lot of times, if you prefer) having them go down for one reason or another. I know of this because anyone I know, or people that they know, that has computer problems, comes to me about it. I may just happen to be involved with a group of people that have extremely high maintenance issues but that is my experiences and in my world it is a true statement.
That is the truth in many cases. The word "M... (show quote)


Or a bunch of tech dorks with a lot of bad habits.

I have used PCs since the early 90's and have had three viruses, one the first week I had a computer, the other during the first month (a friend of my son brought him a game that was infected, I found it and killed it myself with an app Dell recommended. The third one was a couple of years ago, it came from a data download- again detected and killed it with apps I had running before it could do anything.
When I was teaching I had lots of virus etc on the desktop in the classroom and the school laptop I was assigned. We rotated classrooms and checked in the laptops when we went off track. All those infections happened while in the hands of other teachers, one of whom let students use the teacher's desktop , I cleaned up all of them. Bought my own laptop and never checked out another school machine, the desktops in the classroom I rotated into (2 during a year) I made a deal with the school computer tech and got admin passwords on the sly, downloaded anti-virus etc. and cleaned up on my own. The last two years I taught the new tech wouldn't let me have the admin passwords. But I forgot to tell him I already had the anti-virus/malware software hidden in phony document folders passworded by me. The last day I taught in each classroom I uninstalled them.

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Jan 11, 2017 23:30:07   #
thephotoman Loc: Rochester, NY
 
Rjbara wrote:
Can someone recommend a computer or laptop for photo editing and storage.

I had mine custom built. It did not cost me any more than a comparable high end shelf computer. It has the fastest video card available. An Intel 7 quad core processor. It is 8 years old and still doing well. I did have to replace the hard drive, but it started to act up, but no crashes.

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Jan 12, 2017 00:25:14   #
whitewolfowner
 
Gene51 wrote:
I really don't think you are fully aware of what you speak. Let's leave it at that.

Let's see some of your pics and less verbiage.



You just csan't stand it that you haven'e seen any of my photos. I have posted some, they are out there. My photos have nothing to do with the subject. Your tactics is what they call the bait and switch.

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Jan 12, 2017 00:59:11   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
I have a Mac with a 27" monitor. The photos on that monitor are the very best viewing of my photos I can get. Even if the photos are printed out on the very finest paper with the very best printer, they still don't compare to what the photos look like on the 27" monitor. My Mac has all kinds of ram and is very fast. For storage I have external hard drives connected......each one is 3 TB so they hold LOTS of photos!

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Jan 12, 2017 01:42:16   #
wej
 
In April 2010 I purchased a Dell M6500 Dell Workstation 64 bit (Lap Top) that weighed 7.5 pounds. It has a 17in RGB Screen I am using right now, it's native resolution is better than HD. Purchased it with 8GB Ram 2 - 4GB Ram Chips. It was configured with 2 - 500Gb 7200 RPM drives configured in a Raid 1 equivalent of 1TB data only drives. It also was configured with a 64 Micro SSD by Samsung in the mini slot. It came with Windows 7 Professional Ultimate so I could secure encryption on selected files. However, the Widows 7 OS didn't support TRIM for the SSD at the time I purchased it. The OS also contains the ability to use Virtual XP that will allow the 64 bit system to run 32 bit apps in a 64 bit environment under one roof. It also came with all the Windows Office Professional apps less Windows Project, and Windows Access. It also was configured with an NVIDIA 1GB 3500M Video card supporting CUDA to off load Adobe's Adobe Primer Pro video editing to the video card and allow one to get their PC processor back to do other things when doing long extended HD video rendering. I also configured it with a tray type slide Blue Ray and DVD Disk Burner to off load my rendered HD Videos. Keep in mind this was 2010. I configured it with the first version of the I7 CPU using the 820 Version as the 920 was an extra 1K and I couldn't justify it. Today it has the 920 that cost me $110.. to purchase and installed it my self. As time marched on and the price of memory chips dropped I added 2 more 4 GB chips to get to 16 GB. Then noticed later that the price of the 8GB chips dropped, so made a $100.00 investment to replace the 4-4Gb with 4 8GB chips, so now it is a 32GB laptop work station that cooks when rendering HD video. BTW to keep up with all the up grades from Adobe, Windows etc. I went from a 64 GB Micro SSD card to a 128 GB SSD Card and now have a 512GB SSD Card with a lot of room with hopes some day to be able to afford the 1 TB Micro SSD Card for my apps and OS. Don't get me wrong but the initial purchase for this bleeding system in 2010 was a serious investment but look at where it is today in 2017. My next step is to purchase two 1 TB SSD Cards to slip into my two hard disk drive slots and configure it as a 2 TB data drive for data. A that point my system will only have 4 moving objects on it. 1- Key board, 2- my roller ball 3 - the two fans running under the Main CPU and Video Card which are real quite now and will run less when the Hard Drives are gone as the SSD Cards don't generate much heat. At this point it will be reaching it's life growth capabilities. and as a closing note it came with 3 each 3.0 USB slots and one 3.0 /Esata slot and a HDVI Port and Fire Wire port and on and on. Just the other day I confirmed it will support a monitor running 100% AdobeRGB , 100% sRGB, 100% REC709 and 98% DCI-P3 (delta E < 2) 1.07 billion colors. Got to save up a bit to get this monitor but here we are, a video card developed in 2010 supporting resolution of 2017 monitors. Is it 5k? No but one can see the fruits of their labor at least on a screen that supports a serious color space we can see. Maybe some day a monitor that supports Adobe PRO RGB ???

Thanks for reading. My intent is look to the future when making an investment and find your best product and buy the best for YOU and the best you can, keeping in mind the speed of technology doubles every 2 years.

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Jan 12, 2017 01:57:22   #
mjgoulet
 
I drive a high end Dell 15" laptop with 2 ea. 27" monitors. I keep all my pix on a separate 4GB hard drive and it's small enough to carry with me when I'm out. I've had it for about 1-2 years and have no trouble/delays in running PS or LR. It has to be a high end laptop though. The cheaper ones wont cut it. Get enough RAM, A great processor and a built in video card and you're home free. I can pack up my laptop- sans the monitors - in less than 5 minutes and I'm on the road. I backup the hard drives every day.

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Jan 12, 2017 01:58:39   #
mjgoulet
 
I drive a high end Dell 15" laptop with 2 ea. 27" monitors. I keep all my pix on a separate 4GB hard drive and it's small enough to carry with me when I'm out. I've had it for about 1-2 years and have no trouble/delays in running PS or LR. It has to be a high end laptop though. The cheaper ones wont cut it. Get enough RAM, A great processor and a built in video card and you're home free. I can pack up my laptop- sans the monitors - in less than 5 minutes and I'm on the road. I backup the hard drives every day.

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Jan 12, 2017 02:03:04   #
mjgoulet
 
I drive a high end Dell 15" laptop with 2 ea. 27" monitors. I keep all my pix on a separate 4GB hard drive and it's small enough to carry with me when I'm out. I've had it for about 1-2 years and have no trouble/delays in running PS or LR. It has to be a high end laptop though. The cheaper ones wont cut it. Get enough RAM, A great processor and a built in video card and you're home free. I can pack up my laptop- sans the monitors - in less than 5 minutes and I'm on the road. I backup the hard drives every day. Dells 34 " Ultra 4K is giving Apple a run for it's money.

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Jan 12, 2017 05:32:01   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
You just csan't stand it that you haven'e seen any of my photos. I have posted some, they are out there. My photos have nothing to do with the subject. Your tactics is what they call the bait and switch.


Nope, just trying to see if you are really a photographer or a troll. No bait and switch. I ain't selling anything - but you seem to be. And I could care less if you post an image or not. It's for your own good. So, if you've got some posted somewhere, provide the link.

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Jan 12, 2017 05:43:01   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
robertjerl wrote:
Or a bunch of tech dorks with a lot of bad habits.

I have used PCs since the early 90's and have had three viruses, one the first week I had a computer, the other during the first month (a friend of my son brought him a game that was infected, I found it and killed it myself with an app Dell recommended. The third one was a couple of years ago, it came from a data download- again detected and killed it with apps I had running before it could do anything.
When I was teaching I had lots of virus etc on the desktop in the classroom and the school laptop I was assigned. We rotated classrooms and checked in the laptops when we went off track. All those infections happened while in the hands of other teachers, one of whom let students use the teacher's desktop , I cleaned up all of them. Bought my own laptop and never checked out another school machine, the desktops in the classroom I rotated into (2 during a year) I made a deal with the school computer tech and got admin passwords on the sly, downloaded anti-virus etc. and cleaned up on my own. The last two years I taught the new tech wouldn't let me have the admin passwords. But I forgot to tell him I already had the anti-virus/malware software hidden in phony document folders passworded by me. The last day I taught in each classroom I uninstalled them.
Or a bunch of tech dorks with a lot of bad habits.... (show quote)


Funny story - my nephew while in college had a laptop his dad bought him. He was not tech savvy in the least. Did not know what antivirus software was. Over the period of a month or so his computer was rendered useless by popups that started as soon as he booted the computer. He could not use the computer. I removed his drive, attached it to my desktop, scanned with with FProt, Malwarebytes and Kaspersky, and ultimately found nearly 2000 pieces of malware. I told him that I hoped he was more careful with the women he dated. It took me about 2 hours, mostly hands-off time, while the scanners did their stuff. his machine was absolutely cleansed of every virus and now that he knows better, his computer and subsequent computers have been virus-free. I left Avast! on his machine, which is free and runs in the background. His problems began, though he would never admit it, when he visited a porn site. Shortly afterwards he got an instant message from a "known" sender, telling him "check this out" and "this" was a link to a malware site. he stupidly clicked on it and you know the rest of the story. It was a rootkit that provided a backdoor and a browser hijack, so it was a little nasty to find and kill, but not impossible. I had something similar happen, though not on the same scale, with one of my students' Macbooks, and having gone through this in the past, it was easy to find and correct the problem.

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Jan 12, 2017 15:18:30   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Gene51 wrote:
Funny story - my nephew while in college had a laptop his dad bought him. He was not tech savvy in the least. Did not know what antivirus software was. Over the period of a month or so his computer was rendered useless by popups that started as soon as he booted the computer. He could not use the computer. I removed his drive, attached it to my desktop, scanned with with FProt, Malwarebytes and Kaspersky, and ultimately found nearly 2000 pieces of malware. I told him that I hoped he was more careful with the women he dated. It took me about 2 hours, mostly hands-off time, while the scanners did their stuff. his machine was absolutely cleansed of every virus and now that he knows better, his computer and subsequent computers have been virus-free. I left Avast! on his machine, which is free and runs in the background. His problems began, though he would never admit it, when he visited a porn site. Shortly afterwards he got an instant message from a "known" sender, telling him "check this out" and "this" was a link to a malware site. he stupidly clicked on it and you know the rest of the story. It was a rootkit that provided a backdoor and a browser hijack, so it was a little nasty to find and kill, but not impossible. I had something similar happen, though not on the same scale, with one of my students' Macbooks, and having gone through this in the past, it was easy to find and correct the problem.
Funny story - my nephew while in college had a lap... (show quote)

At the time the teacher let students use the desktop teachers could go to more sites than the computers for use by students, she let them have her passwords. Shortly after the teachers were locked out of so many things that often research for lesson plans was crippled. One science teacher was complaining that she couldn't research the latest on breast cancer for her lessons because the word breast was on the lock list. So people brought their own laptops, then the district locked the server itself, at least for school access, admin downtown still had full access. A few big shots got caught with lots of porn etc on their machines, so server lock down with only "cleared" people having passwords. Then they found that the service (wifi with 3 mile range on top of our tallest building on campus, other schools the same) that allowed students to access the district service from home was................hackable!!!!!! At least by teenage computer geeks and their friends and relatives. That included the so called locked admin password only services. They also tried the bright idea of checking out/assigning laptops and i-pads to students, supposedly locked out of the forbidden sites, including games. Second day of the program they found that students had gotten around the lock outs and by day three aprx 20% of the district owned i-pads and laptops were going on "forbidden" sites.

This was a HS in East Los Angeles that hovered around 5000 students plus or minus a few hundred every school year. We were a "Digital Highschool" on Federal grants. The whole campus had fiber optic access, and about a month after they finished the 3 year project they had to start digging up cables to replace them with 4X the capacity. When I retired in June 2007 there were 500+ desktop computers,and at least 300 laptops just for faculty and staff plus a hundred or so in portable "computer labs" that could be brought into a classroom for a special unit and then they started issuing ipads to all students right after I retired and checking out laptops to the students. I have no idea how many computers etc they have on campus now. But it has to be a lot.
I am willing to bet that in the "students" vs "school district" tech war the students have successfully countered every district move and are a step or two ahead of them.
I had an 11th grade boy who had passed the state certification tests but chose to stay in school who was a full time college student majoring in Computer Science in night classes with an ID using his middle name that said he was 19. He was also in partnership with one of his professors in a storefront shop that built custom made computers for artists, photographers and gamers. His cousin, also in 11th grade, worked on line nights and weekends as an IT tech and processing paperwork for a real estate company and made more money than his parents made at their jobs. He gave 50% to the family, mostly in a college fund for his little brothers and sisters and 50% for himself. He hired other students when the workload got too big.
A certain % will always fail or be content to get along, a certain % will excel no matter what barriers are put in their way.

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Jan 12, 2017 15:36:05   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
robertjerl wrote:
At the time the teacher let students use the desktop teachers could go to more sites than the computers for use by students, she let them have her passwords. Shortly after the teachers were locked out of so many things that often research for lesson plans was crippled. One science teacher was complaining that she couldn't research the latest on breast cancer for her lessons because the word breast was on the lock list. So people brought their own laptops, then the district locked the server itself, at least for school access, admin downtown still had full access. A few big shots got caught with lots of porn etc on their machines, so server lock down with only "cleared" people having passwords. Then they found that the service (wifi with 3 mile range on top of our tallest building on campus, other schools the same) that allowed students to access the district service from home was................hackable!!!!!! At least by teenage computer geeks and their friends and relatives. That included the so called locked admin password only services. They also tried the bright idea of checking out/assigning laptops and i-pads to students, supposedly locked out of the forbidden sites, including games. Second day of the program they found that students had gotten around the lock outs and by day three aprx 20% of the district owned i-pads and laptops were going on "forbidden" sites.

This was a HS in East Los Angeles that hovered around 5000 students plus or minus a few hundred every school year. We were a "Digital Highschool" on Federal grants. The whole campus had fiber optic access, and about a month after they finished the 3 year project they had to start digging up cables to replace them with 4X the capacity. When I retired in June 2007 there were 500+ desktop computers,and at least 300 laptops just for faculty and staff plus a hundred or so in portable "computer labs" that could be brought into a classroom for a special unit and then they started issuing ipads to all students right after I retired and checking out laptops to the students. I have no idea how many computers etc they have on campus now. But it has to be a lot.
I am willing to bet that in the "students" vs "school district" tech war the students have successfully countered every district move and are a step or two ahead of them.
I had an 11th grade boy who had passed the state certification tests but chose to stay in school who was a full time college student majoring in Computer Science in night classes with an ID using his middle name that said he was 19. He was also in partnership with one of his professors in a storefront shop that built custom made computers for artists, photographers and gamers. His cousin, also in 11th grade, worked on line nights and weekends as an IT tech and processing paperwork for a real estate company and made more money than his parents made at their jobs. He gave 50% to the family, mostly in a college fund for his little brothers and sisters and 50% for himself. He hired other students when the workload got too big.
A certain % will always fail or be content to get along, a certain % will excel no matter what barriers are put in their way.
At the time the teacher let students use the deskt... (show quote)


Great story!

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