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Dec 9, 2016 23:11:56   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
stevenh0027 wrote:
Hi all,
I tried to take some photos of some buildings at night. I used a Canon 60d on a tripod. I set the mirror up and set the shutter release on a 2 min delay. I had the iso at 100 (to minimize noise). The lens is EF-S 18-135mm. Stabilisation was on.
Looking at the results there still seems to be camera movement (see attached).
To get it looking really sharp do you have to manipulate the image on the computer?

By the way the white wiry lines around the spires are birds hunting insects attracted by the light.
Hi all, br I tried to take some photos of some bui... (show quote)


I believe you need to pick a night that is less windy at the tops of the buildings. The buildings show movement to the right side of the picture but none to the left. This says to me that they stayed in place (the more solid left side of the image) most of the time and move some to the right during the taking of the image. If you look at the bottom of the image at some of the point lights there, there is no movement. Looking at the tree leaves, there is some minor movement on some of the leaves during the exposure. Most people do not realize that buildings are designed to flex in the wind. I think your photograph is actually evidence of that fact.

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Dec 9, 2016 23:27:06   #
manofhg Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
wdross wrote:
I believe you need to pick a night that is less windy at the tops of the buildings. The buildings show movement to the right side of the picture but none to the left. This says to me that they stayed in place (the more solid left side of the image) most of the time and move some to the right during the taking of the image. If you look at the bottom of the image at some of the point lights there, there is no movement. Looking at the tree leaves, there is some minor movement on some of the leaves during the exposure. Most people do not realize that buildings are designed to flex in the wind. I think your photograph is actually evidence of that fact.
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I don't think the wind was affecting the cars at the bottom, but points of light on them shows the same movement.

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Dec 10, 2016 01:53:49   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
manofhg wrote:
I don't think the wind was affecting the cars at the bottom, but points of light on them shows the same movement.


One cannot use the cars as a source since most of them have even moved totally out of the picture in the 30 seconds.

Based on the movement at the top of the photo and lack of movement in the point lights just beyond the cars, the axis of rotation would have to be parellel to the axis of the lense and rotating at the edge of the frame of the handgrip side of the camera. Since it would be rotating about that point at the top of the tripod along the lense axis, that means either the camera is not locked in placed along the axis of the lense - which I seriously doubt - or the legs of the tripod are moving three to six inches from where they were placed and showing no up and down movement from such action. Also the lack of change or variations of movement from the tops of the trees to the bottoms of the trees along with the unlikely tripod scenarios, the only logical explanation is not that the camera was rotating around the axis of the lense but that the building was actually moving during the 30 second shot. No amount of IS will correct this although we were shown by one UHH member that software can do a good job of compensating for it.

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Dec 10, 2016 07:43:58   #
manofhg Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
wdross wrote:
One cannot use the cars as a source since most of them have even moved totally out of the picture in the 30 seconds.

Based on the movement at the top of the photo and lack of movement in the point lights just beyond the cars, the axis of rotation would have to be parellel to the axis of the lense and rotating at the edge of the frame of the handgrip side of the camera. Since it would be rotating about that point at the top of the tripod along the lense axis, that means either the camera is not locked in placed along the axis of the lense - which I seriously doubt - or the legs of the tripod are moving three to six inches from where they were placed and showing no up and down movement from such action. Also the lack of change or variations of movement from the tops of the trees to the bottoms of the trees along with the unlikely tripod scenarios, the only logical explanation is not that the camera was rotating around the axis of the lense but that the building was actually moving during the 30 second shot. No amount of IS will correct this although we were shown by one UHH member that software can do a good job of compensating for it.
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I'm only talking about the still parked cars.

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Dec 10, 2016 11:32:26   #
volkerschmidt Loc: Hooper Utah
 
Haydon,
Excellent observation.
When the camera is sitting still on a tripod, the stabilizer will often look for movement that isn’t there, resulting in a blurry photo.

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Dec 10, 2016 13:19:39   #
volkerschmidt Loc: Hooper Utah
 
Haydon,
Great analysts.
When the camera is sitting still on a tripod, the stabilizer will often look for movement that isn’t there, resulting in a blurry photo.

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Dec 11, 2016 09:42:50   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
GENorkus wrote:
A few things I've noticed in the past that are good to remember.

One is that not all lenses are "tuned" for proper distance exposure. This can often be rectified by manual focusing and trying just a touch before the infinity setting.

The second thing several Canon-Nikon users seem to have a problem that turned out to be the in-lens IS. It hunts a lot. That's likely why you are often told to turn off the IS at slower speeds. My Pentax (in body IS), doesn't seem to be affected as much in the regards of "hunting".

Third thing, that many others might want to try also. When I took a few pics of the super moon last month using an older lens, I played around with a few post editing thing and just happened to use the purple fringing tool. Removing some of that did wonders for my moon shot! That is something I didn't relies before but will definitely keep in the back of my mind.

Hope these are helpful to you.
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"My Pentax (in body IS), doesn't seem to be affected as much in the regards of "hunting". - GENorkus"

But it still is a bit. I find I still need to turn off IS on my K-5, K-20D, and K-100D when on a tripod for the best images, especially if shooting macro!

I too have had "shaky" night shots including ones where I was not sure why. Yes, perhaps I left the IS on. One time that really PO'd because I have not been able to re-shoot was trying to photograph downtown Los Angeles from Dodgers Stadium at night. It was too dark to see much of what I was doing even with a pen light. Next time, I'll set up that camera completely before arriving. Not an issue with my tripods because I've shot 45 minutes sequences of Star Trails that were very sharp. Next cameras for me, K-3II, K-1 !

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Dec 12, 2016 01:58:38   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
Just an observation but just about every stable and bright light source in the photo showed movement of some sort and all of it was just about right to describe that it was the camera that moved. Even the reflections from the trim on the parked autos showed signs of movement. If I had shot this photo I would suspect a foot contacted a tripod leg. Perhaps the fact that I have done it so often bends my mind in that direction. I do not believe that VR being on would describe the amount of movement evident in some areas of the photo AND the lack of movement in others.

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Dec 12, 2016 06:24:27   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Shootist wrote:
Just an observation but just about every stable and bright light source in the photo showed movement of some sort and all of it was just about right to describe that it was the camera that moved. Even the reflections from the trim on the parked autos showed signs of movement. If I had shot this photo I would suspect a foot contacted a tripod leg. Perhaps the fact that I have done it so often bends my mind in that direction. I do not believe that VR being on would describe the amount of movement evident in some areas of the photo AND the lack of movement in others.
Just an observation but just about every stable an... (show quote)


Good point(s). The simplest explanations are often...

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Dec 23, 2016 09:25:29   #
Tom B Loc: Rhode Island
 
Gene51, what software gives you the information posted in the picture you attached?

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Dec 31, 2016 15:32:06   #
canon Lee
 
stevenh0027 wrote:
Hi all,
I tried to take some photos of some buildings at night. I used a Canon 60d on a tripod. I set the mirror up and set the shutter release on a 2 min delay. I had the iso at 100 (to minimize noise). The lens is EF-S 18-135mm. Stabilisation was on.
Looking at the results there still seems to be camera movement (see attached).
To get it looking really sharp do you have to manipulate the image on the computer?

By the way the white wiry lines around the spires are birds hunting insects attracted by the light.
Hi all, br I tried to take some photos of some bui... (show quote)


There are lots of great suggestions and Id like to add vibrations of traffic. large trucks going by. constant traffic..

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Dec 31, 2016 16:35:45   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
This not being mentioned. The lights in the buildings are overexpossed. But the rest of the image needs the extra exposure. The is a dynamic range issue and would be best solved by taken two images and combining. Not sure if HDR would work well, but certainly Photoshop layers and remove those way overexposed lights with properly exposed lights.

This is certainly a stretch for shooting SOOC.

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