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Oct 26, 2016 17:07:09   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
Correction:

I was not charged $4.23 for f-stop app. That charge was a charge for a different app that I forgot about.

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Oct 26, 2016 19:08:46   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Fast enough focus is pretty much limited to Nikon D5 and D500 or Canon 1DX mII and 7DmII. Sony is behind on this as you can see at any sports venue. DOF is in general terms aperture related, wide open is shallow DOF. Close your lens down 3 stops and see what happens. You will just have to settle for slow AF unless you go DSLR as they have the technology for hyper fast AF and have had it for a few decades now.



You must be right. The cameras used by the people sitting on the side lines were holding cameras other than Sony.
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Oh, I forgot to mention, the camera I used to take this photo was my little consumer level Sony A77II from have way up in the seats on the opposite side of the stadium about (150 yards away) using the auto-focus from years ago. My little lens must be under six inches long or I can not bring it into game.

The choking foul was not called. I took hundreds of photos like this that day, all in focus.


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Oct 27, 2016 07:51:44   #
Carolina Wings Loc: Flew from North Carolina to Pennsylvania
 
Davethehiker wrote:
It's been years since I took this photo. It represent the limits of what I have been able to do. I gave up and stopped taking hummingbird photos shortly after I took this one. I feel that the state of the art of commonly available cameras at that time limited my ability to do any better.

This photo was taken using a Sony A77II and a 300mm f/2.8 lens. I will not go into my techniques here; it's been covered elsewhere.

The two biggest problems that I had to overcome were:

1) Finding a camera with fast enough auto-focus.
2) Depth of field.

I stopped taking photos of this kind and have been waiting for cameras to get better. I have a Sony A99II on order in hopes that auto-focus will be even better than my A77II is. However, the A99II is full frame and this could reduce my depth of field even more. The 42.4MP of the A99II might allow me to get away with cropping out a smaller section of the image, effectively giving me a smaller format camera.

In this photo the flowers on the left are between the bird and the camera and are out of focus. The flowers in the background are also out of focus. I don't mind that. What bothers me is that birds right wing and the tip of it's beak are out of focus. I just need a little more DOF!

Recently I talked to a man who told me he was having problems maintaining DOF while photographing jewelry for a client. Another photographer solved the problem by getting further away from the subject and using a giant telephoto lens and a bellows. Maybe I could use a teleconverter and back away from the subject? I'm not sure if that will help?

The camera will not arrive until December. The birds will return in the spring. Any ideas?
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Amazing capture Dave!!!!

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Oct 27, 2016 18:30:35   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Davethehiker wrote:
It's been years since I took this photo. It represent the limits of what I have been able to do. I gave up and stopped taking hummingbird photos shortly after I took this one. I feel that the state of the art of commonly available cameras at that time limited my ability to do any better.

This photo was taken using a Sony A77II and a 300mm f/2.8 lens. I will not go into my techniques here; it's been covered elsewhere.

The two biggest problems that I had to overcome were:

1) Finding a camera with fast enough auto-focus.
2) Depth of field.

I stopped taking photos of this kind and have been waiting for cameras to get better. I have a Sony A99II on order in hopes that auto-focus will be even better than my A77II is. However, the A99II is full frame and this could reduce my depth of field even more. The 42.4MP of the A99II might allow me to get away with cropping out a smaller section of the image, effectively giving me a smaller format camera.

In this photo the flowers on the left are between the bird and the camera and are out of focus. The flowers in the background are also out of focus. I don't mind that. What bothers me is that birds right wing and the tip of it's beak are out of focus. I just need a little more DOF!

Recently I talked to a man who told me he was having problems maintaining DOF while photographing jewelry for a client. Another photographer solved the problem by getting further away from the subject and using a giant telephoto lens and a bellows. Maybe I could use a teleconverter and back away from the subject? I'm not sure if that will help?

The camera will not arrive until December. The birds will return in the spring. Any ideas?
It's been years since I took this photo. It repres... (show quote)
You just simply change your aperture til you have all in focus that you want to have in focus!!

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Oct 27, 2016 18:31:40   #
sterrill Loc: missouri
 
As another who replied will tell you,the answer to depth of field in hummingbird photos is not fast shutter speed. The use of multiple strobes or flashes to stop the action is. Then you can use a shutter speed of 1/200 -1/250 second with an aperture of f8 to f10. The auto focus problem is not easily solved in camera. The best method is to attract the birds to where you want them and focus the camera on a fixed object in your depth of field. I'd be happy to give you more details if you would like.

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Oct 27, 2016 23:50:09   #
sailorsmom Loc: Souderton, PA
 
Beautiful image, Dave!

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Oct 29, 2016 12:15:18   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Check out the Sony A6500. They're claiming the world's fastest auto focus. Another advantage with modern cameras is the better high ISO performance (higher ISO = smaller aperture for any given shutter speed).

http://petapixel.com/2016/10/06/sony-a6500-flagship-aps-c-camera-fastest-af-af-points/

Backing off does increase the distance to the focus point (the subject), but you can't then zoom in to return to the former framing because you lose the advantage (zooming = longer focal length). But if your sensor has a high pixel count you can shoot wider (either back off or use shorter focal length) and then crop. If the required amount of cropping is moderate, the loss of sharpness due to cropping should be minimal.

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Oct 29, 2016 14:22:09   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
R.G. wrote:
Check out the Sony A6500. They're claiming the world's fastest auto focus. Another advantage with modern cameras is the better high ISO performance (higher ISO = smaller aperture for any given shutter speed).

http://petapixel.com/2016/10/06/sony-a6500-flagship-aps-c-camera-fastest-af-af-points/

Backing off does increase the distance to the focus point (the subject), but you can't then zoom in to return to the former framing because you lose the advantage (zooming = longer focal length). But if your sensor has a high pixel count you can shoot wider (either back off or use shorter focal length) and then crop. If the required amount of cropping is moderate, the loss of sharpness due to cropping should be minimal.
Check out the Sony A6500. They're claiming the wo... (show quote)


Yep, that's my plan. I already have the A99II on order. With it 42.4 MP I hope to crop and not lose much. Hopefully the touted fast focus will make it worth having.

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Oct 29, 2016 15:14:49   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Davethehiker wrote:
.......I already have the A99II on order........


It sounds like you two were made for each other .

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