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6D or SL1 Thoroughbred warm-up
May 22, 2016 12:30:32   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
Hi I will be at the race track with a group to photograph horses and then botanical gardens. Not sure which camera i should use for the track. I will have my 100macro, 28-135 and 100-400mm. Also what lens would be better to use between the zooms. Thank you for your input.

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May 22, 2016 14:29:40   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
the 6D is going to do a better job than the SL1. I don't own an SL1 but I do have a 6D and I'm pretty sure it's a way better camera than a petite rebel plus it's got better dynamic range than the rebel Jr and it's full frame. Also, you didn't mention if the 100-400 is the original push pull lens or the version two lens. If the push pull, the 6D will give you substantially more camera to hold on to, if the new one, it would just look silly with an SL1 mounted to it. I don't have the 100-400 push pull, but I do have its kissing cousin, the 28-300 and the two lenses are similar in size and weight, although I think the smaller one may weigh more. I do have the new 100-400 and although it's quite light for its size, the SL1 is maybe a bit too small for it. Use the 6D...

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May 22, 2016 15:17:43   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
Thanks, I have the original 100-400 which does look silly on the SL1 but works.. I will take your advice and use 6D and it will work great at the botanical gardens also.
rmorrison1116 wrote:
the 6D is going to do a better job than the SL1. I don't own an SL1 but I do have a 6D and I'm pretty sure it's a way better camera than a petite rebel plus it's got better dynamic range than the rebel Jr and it's full frame. Also, you didn't mention if the 100-400 is the original push pull lens or the version two lens. If the push pull, the 6D will give you substantially more camera to hold on to, if the new one, it would just look silly with an SL1 mounted to it. I don't have the 100-400 push pull, but I do have its kissing cousin, the 28-300 and the two lenses are similar in size and weight, although I think the smaller one may weigh more. I do have the new 100-400 and although it's quite light for its size, the SL1 is maybe a bit too small for it. Use the 6D...
the 6D is going to do a better job than the SL1. I... (show quote)

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May 23, 2016 05:49:16   #
heyjoe Loc: cincinnati ohio
 
yes both are good cameras, the SL1 will get you over 600 reach,compared to the 400 on the 6d,the small camera dos a great job,i have owned both,

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May 23, 2016 09:36:59   #
Chuckwal Loc: Boynton Beach Florida
 
Have both cameras love the 6D haven't used the sl1 since purchasing the 6D over a year ago all lenses
are super enjoy
chuck

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May 23, 2016 10:42:00   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
Would like to use smaller SL1 because of weight and although it will give me more reach, Don't think i will need since horses will be coming towards us. 6D might be wonderful for arboretum. Thanks heyjoe.
heyjoe wrote:
yes both are good cameras, the SL1 will get you over 600 reach,compared to the 400 on the 6d,the small camera dos a great job,i have owned both,

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May 23, 2016 10:46:11   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
Chuckwal wrote:
Have both cameras love the 6D haven't used the sl1 since purchasing the 6D over a year ago all lenses
are super enjoy
chuck



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May 23, 2016 11:47:34   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Genessi wrote:
Hi I will be at the race track with a group to photograph horses and then botanical gardens. Not sure which camera i should use for the track. I will have my 100macro, 28-135 and 100-400mm. Also what lens would be better to use between the zooms. Thank you for your input.



It will depend on the type of shots you'll be taking at the race track.

If you are shooting distant action on the track, you'll need your telephoto and the SL1 will be the better choice. As an 18MP APS-C camera, it will put a lot more "pixels on target" than the full frame camera. In other words, if you were to take the same shot with the same focal length from the same distance with both the SL1 and the 6D, then crop the full frame camera image down to match the SL1, you'll only have about 7 or 8MP left out of the 20MP full frame image. The 18MP image from the SL1 will definitely be superior for telephoto work.

On the other hand, if you are up close and personal... i.e. shooting the horses in the winner's circle, paddock or stables... your 28-135 will be a good choice and can be used on either camera.

If shooting indoors by available light, the 6D will be the better choice. It is able to produce clean images at far higher ISO than the SL1. With some care (avoid underexposure like the plague) and a bit of extra post processing (shoot RAW and apply some noise reduction), you probably won't want to use the SL1 above ISO 3200, but the 6D can probably manage ISO 12800 or even a little higher.

With either camera, for action shots you should limit the camera to the center AF point only. All the other AF points in both cameras are lower performance, single-axis type. Those are okay for sedate stuff like portraiture, but pretty much useless for anything moving.

In low light the 6D's center point is the best choice, too... it's -3 EV (moonlight) capable. The 6D's other 10 points are -1 EV rated. At best all the points in SL1, including the center one, are probably -1 EV or -0.5 EV.

So, if it were me I'd take both cameras and both zooms to the track. (The macro lens is not very likely to be needed.)

For the botanical garden you also might want both cameras and all the lenses. You'll likely use the macro lens a lot... but if shooting butterflies or anything else active you may want to put the 100mm on the SL1 so you can work from a greater distance.... or use the 100-400 on it if the longer focal lengths are needed. Again, low light conditions might call for the 6D instead.

The 28-135 isn't at all bad for close-up work, either. It focuses a whole lot faster than the macro lens. One thing to be aware of is that the 28-135 gets a little soft when it's racked all the way out to 135mm... stopping down to f8 helps with that. At other focal lengths, the 281-35 is quite capable, even wide open.

If your 100-400mm is the original push/pull version, I hope you don't have a "protection" filter on it. That particular lens goes soft when any filter... even a very high quality one... is fitted to it. A lot of 100-400mm users were surprised just how good their lens was, when they removed the filter they thought was protecting it. (From exactly what, who knows... After all, how much protection can a thin piece of glass be expected to give?.

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May 23, 2016 12:09:40   #
MikeFromMT Loc: So Cal & MT
 
I also have both camera and really like both of them. SL-1 lighter and will work fine. To me it is a toss up. Remember, 6D is not the best for action shots. You won't go wrong with either. Depending where you are at the track in relation to the horses the 100-400 is probably the best. You might want to put that lens on one camera and the 28-135 on the other. This way there is a quick switch without a lens exchange. I very frequently carry two cameras with my Black Rapid strap without a problem. Usually my Tamron 150-600 on one and then a wider angle (like the 16-300) on the other.

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May 23, 2016 20:16:52   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
We will have the opportunity to shoot from the railing or stands. If I use both cameras which lens on which camera do you suggest amfoto?
amfoto1 wrote:
It will depend on the type of shots you'll be taking at the race track.

If you are shooting distant action on the track, you'll need your telephoto and the SL1 will be the better choice. As an 18MP APS-C camera, it will put a lot more "pixels on target" than the full frame camera. In other words, if you were to take the same shot with the same focal length from the same distance with both the SL1 and the 6D, then crop the full frame camera image down to match the SL1, you'll only have about 7 or 8MP left out of the 20MP full frame image. The 18MP image from the SL1 will definitely be superior for telephoto work.

On the other hand, if you are up close and personal... i.e. shooting the horses in the winner's circle, paddock or stables... your 28-135 will be a good choice and can be used on either camera.

If shooting indoors by available light, the 6D will be the better choice. It is able to produce clean images at far higher ISO than the SL1. With some care (avoid underexposure like the plague) and a bit of extra post processing (shoot RAW and apply some noise reduction), you probably won't want to use the SL1 above ISO 3200, but the 6D can probably manage ISO 12800 or even a little higher.

With either camera, for action shots you should limit the camera to the center AF point only. All the other AF points in both cameras are lower performance, single-axis type. Those are okay for sedate stuff like portraiture, but pretty much useless for anything moving.

In low light the 6D's center point is the best choice, too... it's -3 EV (moonlight) capable. The 6D's other 10 points are -1 EV rated. At best all the points in SL1, including the center one, are probably -1 EV or -0.5 EV.

So, if it were me I'd take both cameras and both zooms to the track. (The macro lens is not very likely to be needed.)

For the botanical garden you also might want both cameras and all the lenses. You'll likely use the macro lens a lot... but if shooting butterflies or anything else active you may want to put the 100mm on the SL1 so you can work from a greater distance.... or use the 100-400 on it if the longer focal lengths are needed. Again, low light conditions might call for the 6D instead.

The 28-135 isn't at all bad for close-up work, either. It focuses a whole lot faster than the macro lens. One thing to be aware of is that the 28-135 gets a little soft when it's racked all the way out to 135mm... stopping down to f8 helps with that. At other focal lengths, the 281-35 is quite capable, even wide open.

If your 100-400mm is the original push/pull version, I hope you don't have a "protection" filter on it. That particular lens goes soft when any filter... even a very high quality one... is fitted to it. A lot of 100-400mm users were surprised just how good their lens was, when they removed the filter they thought was protecting it. (From exactly what, who knows... After all, how much protection can a thin piece of glass be expected to give?.
It will depend on the type of shots you'll be taki... (show quote)

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May 23, 2016 20:21:24   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
Thanks for input!! I know the 6D is not the best for action. I also have the 16-300mm lens. now to see what lens on what camera. I can shoot from the railing or we can be at grand stands
MikeFromMT wrote:
I also have both camera and really like both of them. SL-1 lighter and will work fine. To me it is a toss up. Remember, 6D is not the best for action shots. You won't go wrong with either. Depending where you are at the track in relation to the horses the 100-400 is probably the best. You might want to put that lens on one camera and the 28-135 on the other. This way there is a quick switch without a lens exchange. I very frequently carry two cameras with my Black Rapid strap without a problem. Usually my Tamron 150-600 on one and then a wider angle (like the 16-300) on the other.
I also have both camera and really like both of th... (show quote)

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May 25, 2016 17:50:09   #
asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA
 
Even four years on the 6D remains a fantastic camera for just about everything, INCLUDING action.

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