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May 8, 2012 22:12:59   #
micro
 
Pepper wrote:
butch47 wrote:
MWAC wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
Herr Adolph Obama.


wow.. I can't believe how people disrespect the President of the United States, it's hard for a citizen of another county to respect the citizens of the United States when they blatantly refer to their leader as Adolph Obama, a direct play on words refering to Adolph Hitler.

How can you seriously put your leader in the same catergory as a man you killed millions of people because they didnt' agree with his belief system? REALLY??? How disrespectful not only to the President of the United States (which I thought you were taught to show respect too??), but it's also very disrespectful to every citizen of the US and every survivor of the Holocaust.

Sometimes I am just simply amazed how some people will just throw around names, without thinking what they truly mean. I'm also just as amazed to see how people show such lack of respect to an office I was told should be held in the highest regards. I know I wouldn't want that job and I respect any person that would think of holding that position, I don't have to agree with their politics but I will respect them for their desire to run and hold that position.

Here's a little world secret... if you want other world leaders and it's citizens to show respect to your President, as a country you must first show him some respect. When as a nation you belittle that indivual, you risk dimensioning the respect of your leader by the rest of the world.
quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quote br br wo... (show quote)


Sorry to say it but we have many "Christian" racists who watch and believe what Fox News feeds them even though Fox has been shown to the most inaccurate news in the country. Living in Texas I'm sure you run into this as much as I do.
quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quot... (show quote)

And there are many atheist racist who swallow whatever brand of news supports their agendas as well.
quote=butch47 quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 Herr Adol... (show quote)


That's true, but it doesn't excuse either side. Those who want to make the U.S. a Christian theocracy are no different that the Taliban.
Religous finatics are religous finatics. As are athiest finatics. Thay are all dangerous and they are all unAmerican.
 
May 8, 2012 22:18:19   #
Bmac
 
micro wrote:
Those who want to make the U.S. a Christian theocracy are no different that the Taliban.


All fanatics can be dangerous, religious or otherwise. I am curious though, who are these people who want to make the US a Christian theocracy? 8-)
May 8, 2012 22:24:27   #
micro
 
gmcase wrote:
butch47 wrote:


Sorry to say it but we have many "Christian" racists who watch and believe what Fox News feeds them even though Fox has been shown to the most inaccurate news in the country.


I'm not a Fox News fan at all but can you substantiate this statement about Fox's accuracy? Is it a source besides a Fox competitor? Who has "shown this to be true and how?


GMCASE,
If you are sincere in your question, just google (or whatever search you prefer) FOX News accuracy rating. And pleas don't fall into the trap of comparing FOX news to CNBC. CNBC does ont pretend to be news. BTW, you may not be aware that the whoew Rupert Murdoch (News Corp) is under investigation the UK (hopefully soon in the the US) for varous cases of cooruption.
The sad thing is that even the best of the news is "Coprorate" owned and influenced. And, in all defference to the Supreme Court, Corporations are NOT people, nor do they care about people. They care about profits.
May 8, 2012 22:26:24   #
micro
 
MWAC wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
MWAC wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
MWAC wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
Herr Adolph Obama.


wow.. I can't believe how people disrespect the President of the United States, it's hard for a citizen of another county to respect the citizens of the United States when they blatantly refer to their leader as Adolph Obama, a direct play on words refering to Adolph Hitler.

How can you seriously put your leader in the same catergory as a man you killed millions of people because they didnt' agree with his belief system? REALLY??? How disrespectful not only to the President of the United States (which I thought you were taught to show respect too??), but it's also very disrespectful to every citizen of the US and every survivor of the Holocaust.

Sometimes I am just simply amazed how some people will just throw around names, without thinking what they truly mean. I'm also just as amazed to see how people show such lack of respect to an office I was told should be held in the highest regards. I know I wouldn't want that job and I respect any person that would think of holding that position, I don't have to agree with their politics but I will respect them for their desire to run and hold that position.

Here's a little world secret... if you want other world leaders and it's citizens to show respect to your President, as a country you must first show him some respect. When as a nation you belittle that indivual, you risk dimensioning the respect of your leader by the rest of the world.
quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quote br br wo... (show quote)



Young lady, you have much to learn about history, and the American political scene. You might also look around you and discover just what foreign leadership really thinks of this American president.

How many U.S. Presidents have you ever heard tell the whole world that America is not a Christian Nation? How many U.S. Presidents have apologized to the world for the supposed arrogance of the American people? And how many U.S. Presidents have bowed down to a foreign leader and kissed his hand?

You need to study American history a lot more before you question your elders.
quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quot... (show quote)


first do not refer to me as "young lady" it is disrepectful and I will not have it. I have not refered to you in any way that could even come off as showing any disrepect. To gain respect one must show respect. Just because you are older than me, does not automactially mean you gain my respect. My parents raised me to aks quesitons, not to follow blindly. Asking questions is what makes a person wiser and able to form their own opinions.

I really hate to break this to you but I wrote my thesis on the movement of civil rights in the United States as compaired to the movement in Canada, and how that differences affected the out come on each side of the boarder. That coupled with my education which taught about world issues, not just my nations history, I would wager my American History knowlege might be broader than you think.

America is NOT a christian nation, just like Canada is NOT a christian nation, they are nations that were founded to by people seeking refuge and separation of Church and State. As such both nations have and will conitue to welcome immigrates from all over the world, regardless of their nationality, religion and race.

FYI: Ronald Regan on behalf of the U.S. government apologized for the internment of the Japanese to the world.

President Bush also apologized to the Afghans when a Koran was mishandled by a soldier in 2008 (apparently the americain soldier shot the Koran).

There are actaully many well documented cases where a US Presient apologized to another nation for the behaviour of it's citizens, I would gladdly located a few more if you so require.

I'd taking a kiss to the hand over this - GWB giving a Saudi King a hug and kiss.

quote=jolly1 quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 Herr Adolp... (show quote)



But he didn't bow to him.

Incidentally, there are a lot of other names I could have called you, but to simply show you my nice side, I used a term that older American ladies love to be referred to as
quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 quote=MWAC quote=jolly... (show quote)


So if a person does not agree with you or has a different belief system than you, you have to resort to name calling? I'm sorry, but you are nothing more than childish if that is how you try to solve differences.

Calling someone young lady is rude when you look at the context in which you used it, we both know you were attempting to talk down to me and put me "in my place". Unfortunately for you, you didn't realize I would not call you on your condensing tone and counter your points with American presidential facts.

FYI: many Presidents have bowed down to other world leaders, they follow the traditions of their guests, like any good host should and follow suit when visiting a hosts home.

Presidents have bowed to Japanese leaders, kissed Russian leaders checks, kissed the hand of Margaret Thatcher, so your point is?
quote=jolly1 quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 quote=MWA... (show quote)


You go girl!
May 8, 2012 22:37:06   #
micro
 
Jackinthebox wrote:
MWAC wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
Herr Adolph Obama.


wow.. I can't believe how people disrespect the President of the United States, it's hard for a citizen of another county to respect the citizens of the United States when they blatantly refer to their leader as Adolph Obama, a direct play on words refering to Adolph Hitler.

How can you seriously put your leader in the same catergory as a man you killed millions of people because they didnt' agree with his belief system? REALLY??? How disrespectful not only to the President of the United States (which I thought you were taught to show respect too??), but it's also very disrespectful to every citizen of the US and every survivor of the Holocaust.

Sometimes I am just simply amazed how some people will just throw around names, without thinking what they truly mean. I'm also just as amazed to see how people show such lack of respect to an office I was told should be held in the highest regards. I know I wouldn't want that job and I respect any person that would think of holding that position, I don't have to agree with their politics but I will respect them for their desire to run and hold that position.

Here's a little world secret... if you want other world leaders and it's citizens to show respect to your President, as a country you must first show him some respect. When as a nation you belittle that indivual, you risk dimensioning the respect of your leader by the rest of the world.
quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quote br br wo... (show quote)


MWAC, stick to the camera. Respect is earned. oBummer was virtually unknown when the country showed him more respect than anyone could ever expect, by elected him president. He bungled it and lost the respect of many and many will vote him out of office when the time comes. Now, you as a non-citizen, with all respect, show some respect, shut up, and stick to photography.
Respectfully....a voting citizen of the USA.
quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quot... (show quote)


He bungled it??????
He took the largest surples in modern history and turned it into the the largest deficit in history - oh wait that was Bush.
He ignored the warnings by the outgoing administration about Ben Ladin and did nothing to stop him - oh wait that was Bush.
He faild to get Ben Ladin and instead invaded Iraq, ruslting in the deaths of 10s if not hundreds of thousands- oh wait that was Bush.
He lost the respect and support of the world, and put our brave soldiers in more danger, by torturing prisoners (against US and international law) - oh wait that was bush.
He disregarded the US Constitution by wiretaping American citizens without a warrent - oh wait that was Bush.
During his 8 years the DOW lost 40 to 50% of its value and America lost hundreds of thousands of jobs - oh wait that was Bush.
So why to you hate President Obama?
May 8, 2012 22:44:55   #
Mac (a regular here)
 
micro wrote:

He bungled it??????
He took the largest surples in modern history and turned it into the the largest deficit in history - oh wait that was Bush.
He ignored the warnings by the outgoing administration about Ben Ladin and did nothing to stop him - oh wait that was Bush.
He faild to get Ben Ladin and instead invaded Iraq, ruslting in the deaths of 10s if not hundreds of thousands- oh wait that was Bush.
He lost the respect and support of the world, and put our brave soldiers in more danger, by torturing prisoners (against US and international law) - oh wait that was bush.
He disregarded the US Constitution by wiretaping American citizens without a warrent - oh wait that was Bush.
During his 8 years the DOW lost 40 to 50% of its value and America lost hundreds of thousands of jobs - oh wait that was Bush.
So why to you hate President Obama?
br He bungled it?????? br He took the largest sur... (show quote)


:thumbup: Well stated. :thumbup:
 
May 8, 2012 22:46:59   #
micro
 
Bmac wrote:
micro wrote:
The U.S. is not a christian nation, thanks to the good sense of our founding fathers.


The US was founded on Christian principles, by Christian founding fathers, for Christian people. Whether it is a Christian nation any longer I do not know. 8-)

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/


If you haven't read gthe Constitution lately, you should - It is a relatively short document. The White Christian Men who wrote it were very careful to keep religion (Christian, Muslem, Jewish.....) out of it.

If you read Jefferson's writings, he was a Christian who carefully and specificall supported a "Wall of Seperation" between church and state.
May 8, 2012 22:56:51   #
gmcase (a regular here)
 
micro wrote:
gmcase wrote:
butch47 wrote:


Sorry to say it but we have many "Christian" racists who watch and believe what Fox News feeds them even though Fox has been shown to the most inaccurate news in the country.


I'm not a Fox News fan at all but can you substantiate this statement about Fox's accuracy? Is it a source besides a Fox competitor? Who has "shown this to be true and how?


GMCASE,
If you are sincere in your question, just google (or whatever search you prefer) FOX News accuracy rating. And pleas don't fall into the trap of comparing FOX news to CNBC. CNBC does ont pretend to be news. BTW, you may not be aware that the whoew Rupert Murdoch (News Corp) is under investigation the UK (hopefully soon in the the US) for varous cases of cooruption.
The sad thing is that even the best of the news is "Coprorate" owned and influenced. And, in all defference to the Supreme Court, Corporations are NOT people, nor do they care about people. They care about profits.
quote=gmcase quote=butch47 br br Sorry to say ... (show quote)


I am only sincere in asking why the poster lied to make a point. I coud care less about Fox,s reputation or any other news organization. Someone made something up to make a point and I simply called them on it. It's not up to me to rove or disprove their assertion. That's their job and they have been totally mum since they were challenged.
May 8, 2012 23:02:17   #
Bmac
 
micro wrote:
Bmac wrote:
micro wrote:
The U.S. is not a christian nation, thanks to the good sense of our founding fathers.


The US was founded on Christian principles, by Christian founding fathers, for Christian people. Whether it is a Christian nation any longer I do not know. 8-)

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/


If you haven't read gthe Constitution lately, you should - It is a relatively short document. The White Christian Men who wrote it were very careful to keep religion (Christian, Muslem, Jewish.....) out of it.

If you read Jefferson's writings, he was a Christian who carefully and specificall supported a "Wall of Seperation" between church and state.
quote=Bmac quote=micro The U.S. is not a christi... (show quote)


Yes, they did not want to permit a state church or religion that could persecute those of a different religion. That does not diminish my post above. Oh, and yes I have read the Constituion, have you read my link? 8-)
May 8, 2012 23:08:25   #
ngc1514
 
Bmac wrote:
micro wrote:
The U.S. is not a christian nation, thanks to the good sense of our founding fathers.


The US was founded on Christian principles, by Christian founding fathers, for Christian people. Whether it is a Christian nation any longer I do not know. 8-)

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/


What uniquely christian principles? The resurrection? The trinity?
May 8, 2012 23:13:37   #
Bmac
 
ngc1514 wrote:
Bmac wrote:
micro wrote:
The U.S. is not a christian nation, thanks to the good sense of our founding fathers.


The US was founded on Christian principles, by Christian founding fathers, for Christian people. Whether it is a Christian nation any longer I do not know. 8-)

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/


What uniquely christian principles? The resurrection? The trinity?


I did not say uniquely. 8-)
 
May 8, 2012 23:30:44   #
ngc1514
 
Bmac wrote:
ngc1514 wrote:
Bmac wrote:
micro wrote:
The U.S. is not a christian nation, thanks to the good sense of our founding fathers.


The US was founded on Christian principles, by Christian founding fathers, for Christian people. Whether it is a Christian nation any longer I do not know. 8-)

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/


What uniquely christian principles? The resurrection? The trinity?


I did not say uniquely. 8-)

If not uniquely Christian then they might also be Buddhist, Muslim or Hindu principles. Or even secular principles from the Age of Enlightenment.

So... What are these principles and what makes them Christian?
May 9, 2012 07:38:23   #
Wabbit (suspended)
 
gmcase wrote:
micro wrote:
gmcase wrote:
butch47 wrote:


Sorry to say it but we have many "Christian" racists who watch and believe what Fox News feeds them even though Fox has been shown to the most inaccurate news in the country.


I'm not a Fox News fan at all but can you substantiate this statement about Fox's accuracy? Is it a source besides a Fox competitor? Who has "shown this to be true and how?


GMCASE,
If you are sincere in your question, just google (or whatever search you prefer) FOX News accuracy rating. And pleas don't fall into the trap of comparing FOX news to CNBC. CNBC does ont pretend to be news. BTW, you may not be aware that the whoew Rupert Murdoch (News Corp) is under investigation the UK (hopefully soon in the the US) for varous cases of cooruption.
The sad thing is that even the best of the news is "Coprorate" owned and influenced. And, in all defference to the Supreme Court, Corporations are NOT people, nor do they care about people. They care about profits.
quote=gmcase quote=butch47 br br Sorry to say ... (show quote)


I am only sincere in asking why the poster lied to make a point. I coud care less about Fox,s reputation or any other news organization. Someone made something up to make a point and I simply called them on it. It's not up to me to rove or disprove their assertion. That's their job and they have been totally mum since they were challenged.
quote=micro quote=gmcase quote=butch47 br br ... (show quote)


Hey Doc ...... of course you know that this means war ....
May 9, 2012 09:11:59   #
knucklehead
 
ABO
May 9, 2012 13:43:17   #
tkhphotography
 
micro wrote:
Bmac wrote:
micro wrote:
The U.S. is not a christian nation, thanks to the good sense of our founding fathers.


The US was founded on Christian principles, by Christian founding fathers, for Christian people. Whether it is a Christian nation any longer I do not know. 8-)

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/


If you haven't read gthe Constitution lately, you should - It is a relatively short document. The White Christian Men who wrote it were very careful to keep religion (Christian, Muslem, Jewish.....) out of it.

If you read Jefferson's writings, he was a Christian who carefully and specificall supported a "Wall of Seperation" between church and state.
quote=Bmac quote=micro The U.S. is not a christi... (show quote)


I think that's quite a stretch to label him a Christian, more of a deist I would think. I've read a lot of his writings where you could interpret his actual 'label' as more of a deist than a straight Christian.
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