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Dec 10, 2015 16:55:35   #
bdk
 
Todays shoot wasn't easy for me, I wanted to get the sun bouncing off of the water, I also wanted to get the reflection of the jet vapor in the sky.

the issue I have is the land in the back far left, is there a way to get a better shot, So its not so hazy? or an easy way to fix it in PS6

I'd really like to learn how to eliminate that in camera and save me PS time.


 
Dec 10, 2015 17:30:18   #
BermBuster
 
bdk wrote:
Todays shoot wasn't easy for me, I wanted to get the sun bouncing off of the water, I also wanted to get the reflection of the jet vapor in the sky.

the issue I have is the land in the back far left, is there a way to get a better shot, So its not so hazy? or an easy way to fix it in PS6

I'd really like to learn how to eliminate that in camera and save me PS time.


My first thought,it looks almost like lens flare, make sure you use the lens guard and maybe use a circular polarizer filter.
Dec 10, 2015 19:00:51   #
amfoto1 (a regular here)
 
DO NOT USE ANY FILTER, when shooting into the sun like this. If you have a "protection" filter on the lens, remove it. You are likely to get flare... and any filter will only make it worse... Particularly a multi-layer filter like a Circular Polarizer.

Your best way to shoot that would be to make two or more exposures, at different settings, then combine the "best" from each into a single shot. Essentially, it's a scene with a very extreme dynamic range, far exceeding what your camera can capture in a single shot. By making multi-exposures, then combining them, you are "compressing" the exposure into the visible range... treating it as a form of HDR or "High Dynamic Range" image.

With film, to do the same thing we'd have used a graduated neutral density filter. But, once again, any filter will tend to increase problems with flare. And you can do a much more precise job using the multi-image technique with digital post-processing.

I'd also be sure to shoot RAW, since it's difficult to get a perfect exposure in such extreme light and RAW allows much more latitude for post-processing adjustments.

You probably can't completely correct the haziness of the trees and land at the left... and probably shouldn't try to... because the LH trees & land are farther in the distance than that at the right, so are being seen through more atmosphere, and hence through more haze. Something would be lost, if you tried to completely eliminate that haze.
Dec 10, 2015 19:17:38   #
bdk
 
I was using a borrowed lens today. It had a UV filter on it,
That may have something to do with the left side and the sky being blown out. Also the sun was just outside of the edge of the pic making that part of the sky really white.

I bought UV filters for all my lens' as suggested by an instructor'.To protect the lens in case you bump it.

Ive since removed all of them I found that I get a lot of flare, to me it seems that the light bounces a around more inside the lens. Im sure there is a technical reason.


A circular polarizer would have removed some of the sun which I wanted to show in the pic.
Though I do use them when shooting water on a sunny day, helps reduce the reflection of the sun ...
Thanks for your suggestions
Dec 11, 2015 06:26:22   #
kubota king
 
your picture could be made to look a lot better on the left side and over all if you have the skills that some of us have using PS , but it would take several steps to make it look real . No one step fix would fix it easy like you asked . Sorry , Tommy
Dec 11, 2015 09:06:51   #
jerryc41 (a regular here)
 
Although I'm not an expert in this area, using Lightroom, you can make the washed out sky on the left look a lot better. Re-post it as a Download and let one of our experts take a shot at it.

I love the reflections on the water. Very nice effect.
 
Dec 11, 2015 09:16:47   #
RRS (a regular here)
 
bdk wrote:
I was using a borrowed lens today. It had a UV filter on it,
That may have something to do with the left side and the sky being blown out. Also the sun was just outside of the edge of the pic making that part of the sky really white.

I bought UV filters for all my lens' as suggested by an instructor'.To protect the lens in case you bump it.

Ive since removed all of them I found that I get a lot of flare, to me it seems that the light bounces a around more inside the lens. Im sure there is a technical reason.


A circular polarizer would have removed some of the sun which I wanted to show in the pic.
Though I do use them when shooting water on a sunny day, helps reduce the reflection of the sun ...
Thanks for your suggestions
I was using a borrowed lens today. It had a UV fil... (show quote)


A CP filter works best when the sun is approximately 90 degrees from your subject. The only effect you would get with the sun almost straight on as in this shot would be that of a ND filter and as has been pointed out that could cause more flare. HDR would be the best way to go.
Dec 11, 2015 13:08:46   #
MtnMan
 
bdk wrote:
Todays shoot wasn't easy for me, I wanted to get the sun bouncing off of the water, I also wanted to get the reflection of the jet vapor in the sky.

the issue I have is the land in the back far left, is there a way to get a better shot, So its not so hazy? or an easy way to fix it in PS6

I'd really like to learn how to eliminate that in camera and save me PS time.


You needed a graduated neutral density filter to do that shot right.

Barring that bracketing and combining two images in post would be OK too but more work.

You could try Nikon's 2-shot HDR or ADL on high if you want one jpeg but I doubt they would do what you needed here to not blow out the sky.

Or lastly meter on the sky to not blow it out and pump up the underexposed in post. Likely will lose image detail that way, though.
Dec 14, 2015 09:38:29   #
bkyser
 
At first, I thought it was flair, but upon closer inspection, it looks like there are 2 bodies of land. The one on the right is closer than the one on the left. With distance and haze, it makes sense that it is more washed out. It shows depth.

If you want it to all look the same, the dehaze slider in LR6, or PSE14 (I don't know about CS-6, went to CC and skipped 6, so if it has dehaze, I don't know?)

the problem I see is, that if you use dehaze, it will just look like there is one solid piece of land across there, which would change the whole perception of the scene. (in my humble opinion) I honestly think that it would look very nice with a little detail recovered in the sky (recovery in Adobe Raw), but leave the mist in front of the trees, then print it nice and big and hang it on the wall for all to admire. :-)
Dec 14, 2015 14:14:35   #
bdk
 
bkyser wrote:
At first, I thought it was flair, but upon closer inspection, it looks like there are 2 bodies of land. The one on the right is closer than the one on the left. With distance and haze, it makes sense that it is more washed out. It shows depth.

If you want it to all look the same, the dehaze slider in LR6, or PSE14 (I don't know about CS-6, went to CC and skipped 6, so if it has dehaze, I don't know?)

the problem I see is, that if you use dehaze, it will just look like there is one solid piece of land across there, which would change the whole perception of the scene. (in my humble opinion) I honestly think that it would look very nice with a little detail recovered in the sky (recovery in Adobe Raw), but leave the mist in front of the trees, then print it nice and big and hang it on the wall for all to admire. :-)
At first, I thought it was flair, but upon closer ... (show quote)


Thanks, you may be on to something there, I think I'll try and recover the sky or put in a new one.Thenleave the land in the back as it it, Like I said, it was just an experiment to see if I could do it, The washed out sky was because the sun was just outside of the viewfinder, I have troubles getting sun shots, so I keep practicing....
 
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