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Jun 27, 2015 08:07:29   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
sb wrote:
It is somewhat safe to spell things out like "alyn1477 at mymetronet dot net But even that may not help in all cases.

ebay does not allow sending email addresses through their system, even if you try to trick it, as in the example you gave.

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Jun 27, 2015 08:33:20   #
MontanaTrace
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net


Your profile states you are a retired editor. You already know the answer to this. Is this a set up to read the responses?

Possibility: If you were to clearly show and feature the television in your photo entry, making your submittal about the television and the contained image, that would be okay. Maybe.

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Jun 27, 2015 09:08:35   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
Darkroom317 wrote:
Ethics and legality are separate things. I never said it was ethical or moral


Then why do it? Are you that hard up for decent photographs?

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Jun 27, 2015 09:34:45   #
CanonShot Loc: Lancaster County, PA
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net


Alyn, if you are a "copycat" photographer in terms of post-processing someone else's work, you will likely go ahead with questionable entries in the county fair. The county fair folks might recognize the images and that may cast you in a negative light in future events. Does the county fair have a booklet with their contest rules? Check on that.

An ethical photographer would see the "stoplight" here long before getting to the post-processing intersection.

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Jun 27, 2015 09:58:26   #
Festus Loc: North Dakota
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net


In my opinion the answer is a big NO! On the other end how good can your pictures from a television screen actually be? Your standards must be quite low.

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Jun 27, 2015 10:13:31   #
phkowalchuk Loc: Aurora, CO
 
Over the course of my long career, when people working with me start asking a question saying, "this is a stupid question," I'd tell them there's no such thing as a stupid question.

I just learned I was wrong.

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Jun 27, 2015 10:17:03   #
MontanaTrace
 
phkowalchuk wrote:
Over the course of my long career, when people working with me start asking a question saying, "this is a stupid question," I'd tell them there's no such thing as a stupid question.

I just learned I was wrong.


His profile is that of a retired editor. He knows copyright law. Set up.

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Jun 27, 2015 10:39:51   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
MontanaTrace wrote:
His profile is that of a retired editor. He knows copyright law. Set up.


he asked pretty much the same question in 2013
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-146985-1.html

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Jun 27, 2015 10:45:03   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
SharpShooter wrote:
.../... the Suicide Girls are having the last laugh!! .../...
SS

:shock:

How if they killed themselves?

:hunf: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Jun 27, 2015 10:47:23   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
phkowalchuk wrote:
Over the course of my long career, when people working with me start asking a question saying, "this is a stupid question," I'd tell them there's no such thing as a stupid question.

I just learned I was wrong.


:thumbup:

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Jun 27, 2015 10:54:26   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net


[b]No, you can't.[b] The TV did not create the images, a photographer or cinematographer shot an image.

The only ethical or legal way to do anything close would be to take say a copyright free stock photo and modify that. As far as entering that in a contest, only if it is a category for Graphic Design (not photography), and even that is highly questionable.

Technically (by U.S. law), when one presses or squeezes the shutter and an image is recorded the photographer own copyright to that image. If it is a "good" one and you plan to distribute or publish it, Registering the copyright is a good idea.

Please learn to shoot yourself well enough if you want to enter contests.

Don't think violating copyright is trivial. I know a wildlife and scenic photographer who has people try to copy and use her images with out permission all the time. She claims to usually have as many as 17 law suites going at any one time. One case in particular struck me. She was once in a souvenir shop abroad and spotted a number of products baring an image that was unmistakeably hers. It even bore a erroneous plagiarized copyright mark. The crook's downfall. She asked around and traced the story of how this image came to be on these products. Turns out some nefarious fellow obtained the image(s) from a legitimate clearing house for her images. This by the way was now in another country (with perhaps even stricter laws). She was well known and friends with the middle man. He was in fact head of that nations travel commission or something similar. He was not happy either. They found the forger and he was "black listed", could no longer work in the travel or souvenir business, and eventually lost his home. He was desperate or audacious enough to call my photo friend and ask for help. She answered with "I did not tell you to rip me off."

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Jun 27, 2015 10:54:43   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Rongnongno wrote:
:shock:

How if they killed themselves?

:hunf: :shock: :shock: :shock:


It's a Goth thing

http://suicidegirls.com

Since launching in 2001, the Suicide Girls website has become the place to go if you want to look at ultra hot, alternative punk girls posing...

probably not really suitable for work and the wife may not approve either...

i'm sure it used to be a site where photographers could engage the services of models but it looks like thats against the TOS these days.

http://suicidegirls.com/legal/

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Jun 27, 2015 11:32:36   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net

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Here is my one and simple answer to that...........

NO!

However as I am a rather curious person, I would inquire of you as to the WHY you would wish to do that?

Outside of being very VERY poor quality of an image, and NOT being Your Work. Why?

Or taking another artist's work and calling it your own?

WHAT WERE YOU THINKING ? When You Posted THAT statement?

Disagreement in TOTAL to what you are thinking about doing.... If You wanted to get a "Rise" out of members of This Group.. I really think that you will get some reactions.

1.) Take Your camera (any camera) .
2.) Learn how to do Your Photography Yourself.
3.) Edit Your work the best way You can.
4.) THEN put Your name in the "lower-right corner" of the Print you frame.

Taking a photo of a TV image...???

Really.

And The putting Your Name on it?

You may have a need for a "brain transplant".

These are only my feelings on this subject - others here will and should have their own ideas on this.

Peace.... Out.

James.

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Jun 27, 2015 12:02:02   #
Armadillo Loc: Ventura, CA
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net


Alyn,

NO!

Read the County Fair rules for submitting photographs. Most fairs state very clearly, you must attest the photographs submitted are your original property.

NOTE If you did that with one of my photographs, I would be living on your retirement for the rest of my life.

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Jun 27, 2015 13:00:33   #
jimmya Loc: Phoenix
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net


If you took the shots from a television screen no. If you took the shots and they were later shown on television the station would have given you credit and yes you can.

In the first instance it would be like you making a copy of a copyrighted book and offering it as your own. All material shown on television is copyrighted - even the video in news stories.

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