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Jun 26, 2015 22:24:50   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
lighthouse wrote:
That search found this.

No, you absolutley cannot do that, despite the wishful thinking of many answerers. You're taking a copyrighted work (the images) and using it for your own profit. The fact that you're slightly changing it does not matter.

You are creating what is known as a "derivative work." 17 U.S.C. ยง 106(2) is the statute which deals with this, and states that only the copyright holder or an authorized user may create a derivative work. Unless and until you obtain express permission from the holder of the copyrighted image (and probably pay them handsomely) you are not authorized to create these kinds of modifications
That search found this. br i br No, you absolut... (show quote)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Prince

This man has built a career out of it, sometimes it's transformative enough to make it original sometimes he gets away with little if any change. sometimes it goes to court and he loses... Overall though he seems to be commercially successful, although it makes you wonder about who purchases these 'art works'.

Maybe the people who purchase these pieces have made their money in a similar manner and see themselves reflected in the pieces.

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Jun 26, 2015 23:02:45   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Consult a real lawyer, not internet wannabes.

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Jun 26, 2015 23:12:28   #
jim quist Loc: Missouri
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net


There was a post on here a couple of weeks ago about a photographer who printed facebook pictures and had a museum exhibit. He sold one for $80,000.00. It went to court and the judge said that because they were altered he could claim them as his own original work.

You need to ask yourself if you want to be sued by the television station and by each photographer from very photo. Can you afford the attorney and fees? Are you ready to pay whatever damages are awarded? Are you ready to be permanently discredited as a photographer?

Why not go out and take your own pictures and use them?

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Jun 26, 2015 23:14:36   #
St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet
 
jim quist wrote:
...Why not go out and take your own pictures and use them?

Amen! S-

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Jun 26, 2015 23:16:16   #
jcboy3
 
Some posts just make my teeth hurt.

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Jun 26, 2015 23:29:10   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
jim quist wrote:
There was a post on here a couple of weeks ago about a photographer who printed facebook pictures and had a museum exhibit. He sold one for $80,000.00. It went to court and the judge said that because they were altered he could claim them as his own original work.

You need to ask yourself if you want to be sued by the television station and by each photographer from very photo. Can you afford the attorney and fees? Are you ready to pay whatever damages are awarded? Are you ready to be permanently discredited as a photographer?
Why not go out and take your own pictures and use them?
There was a post on here a couple of weeks ago abo... (show quote)


You are probably talking about re-appropriation and the MO of Richard Prince.
Could it possibly come to a lawsuit, possibly.

Either way, the Suicide Girls are having the last laugh!! :lol:
SS

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Jun 26, 2015 23:31:24   #
jfn007 Loc: Close to the middle of nowhere.
 
What does Richard Prince do to other's photos?

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Jun 26, 2015 23:32:25   #
St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet
 
jfn007 wrote:
What does Richard Prince do to other's photos?

Have you looked at the links above? S-

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Jun 26, 2015 23:32:53   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
jim quist wrote:


Why not go out and take your own pictures and use them?


Much of art is the idea now rather than the work. Art is way of seeing rather than just the creation. Right or wrong this philosophy is what has driven much of contemporary art including appropriation art

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Jun 27, 2015 05:52:12   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net


I have no doubts that images on your TV were copyrighted. Shooting the pictures off a TV will not give you the copyright to those pictures. Copyright violations usually start at $1500 and, depending on the judges opinion of the severity, it can climb astronomically from there. It is far better and cheaper to find where the video was taken and go shoot it yourself. No copyright violation normally in doing that.

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Jun 27, 2015 07:02:08   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net


Alyn - all this discussion aside - you should NEVER post your email anywhere on the internet - there are search engines that constantly scan for email addresses for the sole purpose of getting address lists for junk email. It is somewhat safe to spell things out like "alyn1477 at mymetronet dot net But even that may not help in all cases.

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Jun 27, 2015 07:14:38   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net

You've come to the right place for legal advice! :D

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Jun 27, 2015 07:19:40   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
SharpShooter wrote:
You are probably talking about re-appropriation and the MO of Richard Prince.
Could it possibly come to a lawsuit, possibly.

Either way, the Suicide Girls are having the last laugh!! :lol:
SS


Are you sure?

from the wiki article.

"Prince lives with his second wife, the artist Noel Grunwaldt, and their two children. In 1996, he relocated himself and his family to a farmhouse on 88 acres of land in the foothills of the Catskill Mountains. Since 1981, Prince has been a part-time resident of Southampton Village.

In 2009, he spent $11.5 million on townhouse at 57 East 78th Street in New York City. In 2012, he reportedly bought the neighbouring five-bedroom brownstone at 55 East 78th Street for $13.75 million."

That's a little over $25 million spent on 2 houses, I think he must be laughing harder. Especially since it seems there is a pretty good case for the suicide girls recreations of his work being in breach of his copyright.

I guess that would be negative publicity for him but would the people buying his artwork care? Most of the world runs on exploiting other people, some are just more successful at it than others.

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Jun 27, 2015 07:25:57   #
superpijak Loc: Middle TN
 
13oct1931 wrote:
Recently I took some photographs of some beautiful scenery being shown on the television.
Can I claim "ownership" and enter them in a county fair photo contest? Is there a problem with copyrights? I "doctored" them quite a bit, so they are not precisely the same.
THANK YOU.

Alyn McConnaha
alyn1477@mymetronet.net


Certainly you can do better than that.

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Jun 27, 2015 08:04:13   #
show1971 Loc: Southern California
 
Darkroom317 wrote:
Significant similarity is what is being questioned. Look up appropriation law. if an image is significantly altered it ceases to be the original and is therefore considered something else. This is how Richard Prince gets away with what he does.


You still leave yourself open for lawsuits that you may or may not win. I don't think it's worth it.

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