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Jun 28, 2015 06:11:44   #
asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA
 
JPL wrote:
Now Nikon has secured a patent for a 10-600 mm lens to use in front of a 1" sensor according to various websites that cover camera and lens news. With the sensor zoom factor of 2.7 this will give a range that is comparable to 27-1620 mm lens on a full frame camera.

The 1" sensor is becoming more and more popular, with Nikon, Sony, Lumix, Samsung and Canon all using this sensor in more and more cameras every year. The latest of them the Canon powershot G3X.

There are some possibilities for Nikon to use this new lens patent to bring us much closer to the ultimate camera than has ever been possible before.
They could make a bridge camera with this lens and they could make a lens of this kind to use in the Nikon 1 lineup of cameras. Either way, we can now expect to get the lens many have been dreaming about, a lens that covers almost all the zoom range we ever dreamed of, a lens that we can use handheld with in camera or in lens 5 stop stabilizing, a lens that many of us never have to take off the camera, the all round travel lens, the sports and bif lens and a lens that we can put in front of a good in low light backlit sensor that is big enough to produce much better image quality than has been possible in the most popular bridge cameras so far.

And it is possible that this lens or a camera with it will be available soon, as this lens was already designed in 2013, but patent not secured until few days ago. So it is quite possible that we will see something very interesting from Nikon later this year based on this new lens patent.

What do you think about this? Anyone interested?
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The only lens type I like less than zooms, are super zooms. The broader the range, the lower the quality, the heavier the weight and the slower the aperture.

28mm, 35mm, 50mm and 90mm primes are about all I want, and even then I could do just fine without the 28 and the 90, and while 50mm is my favorite lens, I could live just fine with nothing but 35mm and not really miss much.

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Jun 30, 2015 16:31:35   #
JPL
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
Not only how much $$$, but also how much weight would we want to lug around - all the time! Plus - how compromised would the aperture have to be. f 11 anyone?

Even with the moderate weights of my zooms, I still opted to have an 18-55 for my D5300 just to have portability. If It's too heavy to carry all the time, then it's most likely not with me when an opportunity shows up.


That is the main puropse of the 1" sensor and a big range zoom, to give you good quality, big range and low weight - all the time. And for a price that is only fraction of the dslr combos.

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Jun 30, 2015 16:34:53   #
JPL
 
berchman wrote:
Once again, the common misunderstanding of the so-called zoom factor. It only means that it has a smaller field of view, not that it brings things in closer. 600 mm stays 600 mm no matter what the size of the sensor.


No misunderstanding here about the zoom factor. Of course it is because of the smaller field of view. And the smaller field of view is because the sensor to capture the image is smaller and decides the field of view - or in another words, the zoom factor of the sensor, often called crop factor.

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Jun 30, 2015 16:38:33   #
JPL
 
jerryc41 wrote:
How many cameras will the public want to buy before the manufacturers decide what is the correct format? When 35mm film was the standard, there wasn't much confusion. Shoot 35 or shoot 120.


How many shoes will a woman buy before she finds the right shoes to last her lifetime?

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Jun 30, 2015 16:40:14   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Shoes don't last a lifetime unless you hardly ever wear them.
JPL wrote:
How many shoes will a woman buy before she finds the right shoes to last her lifetime?

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Jun 30, 2015 16:50:32   #
JPL
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
IMHO, the camera manufacturers are coming to the conclusion that the 1" sensor is the "Goldilocks" of the photography world, offering better image quality than can ever be obtained with the 1/2.3 size used in most point and shoot and bridge cameras, while at the same time, allowing for the use of smaller and lighter lenses than full frame, APS-C, or even micro 4/3 bodies would allow at the equivalent field of view. Time will tell if the buying public sees this as a viable compromise between cost, image quality, and convenience.
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This sensor format is in my mind likely to push the 1.5 crop sensors away from the market. Those half format cameras are just too close to the more and more popular full format cameras in size and weight and price to survive much longer. All that is needed to push them overboard is to increase the fps in one camera from each manufacturer Canon/Nikon and then the days of that format are over. And that is bound to happen when the mainstream camera manufacturers are putting more and more effort in the closes formats above and below, the full frame and the 1" format.

The 1" format is also quite futuristic in many ways. I think it will be easy to increase the resolution up to at least 100 mpx in 1" sensors and I predict that will be done in the next 5 years or so.

Yes, there are many around here that have different views and think of this as flying pigs. Those people are probably part of the majority of people that still drive Ford A-model and never fly in a jet or use a pc or smartphone or other "flying pigs" from the past. Maybe they do not even use electricity as that was also a flying pig once

:lol:

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Jun 30, 2015 17:23:09   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
JPL wrote:
This sensor format is in my mind likely to push the 1.5 crop sensors away from the market.

The 1" format is also quite futuristic in many ways. I think it will be easy to increase the resolution up to at least 100 mpx in 1" sensors and I predict that will be done in the next 5 years or so.

Yes, there are many around here that have different views and think of this as flying pigs. Those people are probably part of the majority of people that still drive Ford A-model and never fly in a jet or use a pc or smartphone or other "flying pigs" from the past. Maybe they do not even use electricity as that was also a flying pig once. :lol:
This sensor format is in my mind likely to push th... (show quote)


JPL, there is a comedian born every second on the Hog!!
Man, you are just full of jokes!!
I have a prediction of my own!
I predict the the guy with the biggest pair of Crystal Balls, will be KING!!

JPL, just come out and say it!!
In five years, any pro not using a cell-phone(the non-rise and fall of both the 1"&4/3's will have already not happened) as their primary camera, has probably been super-glued to their horse and can't get back off!! :lol: :lol:
SS

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Jun 30, 2015 17:37:10   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I decided to test my Nikon D3100 DX sensor against my Nikon1 J1 CX sensor with my Nikkor AFS VR 55-300 zoom lens, zoomed out to 300mm in daylight at 1/125 sec, iso-100 in Shutter priority mode, at a distance of 45 ft.. The D3100 DX chose f5.6, the Nikon1 J1 CX chose f7.1. I shot in raw mode, using auto focus on a tripod with a 10 sec. timer. I kept the VR on (maybe I shouldn't have). I shot a half a dozen pics with each camera, using single point auto focus on the tightly furled flag with the rubber band, and selected the best from each camera and enhanced the lettering on the white ruler with PS. I cropped each pic to create the same field of view.
The results surprised me. Granted, the 55-300 zoom has problems with achieving auto focus on small subjects at longer distances. With the Nikon D3100 DX I never got a sharp focus. With the Nikon1 J1 I got a much sharper focus. I'm thinking that the reduced field of view made the autofocus work better. I'm blown away that the CX did so much better with this lens.

55-300mm zoom at 300mm with CX sensor
55-300mm zoom at 300mm with CX sensor...
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55-300mm zoom at 300mm with DX sensor
55-300mm zoom at 300mm with DX sensor...
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Jul 1, 2015 17:25:14   #
SX2002 Loc: Adelaide, South Australia
 
What is a 1" sensor....?
My D7100 has a 24 X 16mm sensor (rounded off) which is very near to 1" (25.4mm)....
How is is the new 1" one going to differ...?

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Jul 1, 2015 17:44:35   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
The 1"sensor, or for Nikon, the CX sensor, is 8.8mm x 13.2mm. It is available on some Sony and Samsung cameras and on the Nikon 1 dslr.There's no rhyme or reason why it is called 1". It has a 2.7 crop factor compared to your DX sensor's 1.5 crop factor.
SX2002 wrote:
What is a 1" sensor....?
My D7100 has a 24 X 16mm sensor (rounded off) which is very near to 1" (25.4mm)....
How is is the new 1" one going to differ...?

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Jul 1, 2015 17:46:16   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
SX2002 wrote:
What is a 1" sensor....?
My D7100 has a 24 X 16mm sensor (rounded off) which is very near to 1" (25.4mm)....
How is is the new 1" one going to differ...?


I was wondering about that myself. Unless my math has failed me, a 1" sensor would be somewhere between an APS-C and full frame. Calling it 1" would seem to indicate that it is 1" square. I'd never heard of it till now.

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Jul 1, 2015 17:47:10   #
SX2002 Loc: Adelaide, South Australia
 
Bobspez wrote:
The 1"sensor, or for Nikon, the CX sensor, is 8.8mm x 13.2mm. It is available on some Sony and Samsung cameras and on the Nikon 1 dslr.There's no rhyme or reason why it is called 1". It has a 2.7 crop factor compared to your DX sensor's 1.5 crop factor.


Thanks Bob....weird..!
Using that theory, mine must be a 48mm sensor... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Jul 1, 2015 17:50:22   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Bobspez wrote:
The 1"sensor, or for Nikon, the CX sensor, is 8.8mm x 13.2mm. It is available on some Sony and Samsung cameras and on the Nikon 1 dslr.There's no rhyme or reason why it is called 1". It has a 2.7 crop factor compared to your DX sensor's 1.5 crop factor.


Thank You! It would be interesting to know why it is called 1" when the sensor apparently is not. :?:

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Jul 1, 2015 17:52:18   #
Rick.Sr Loc: Inverness, FLorida
 
JPL wrote:
Now Nikon has secured a patent for a 10-600 mm lens to use in front of a 1" sensor according to various websites that cover camera and lens news. With the sensor zoom factor of 2.7 this will give a range that is comparable to 27-1620 mm lens on a full frame camera.

What do you think about this? Anyone interested?


WOW, I am for sure interested. I don't suppose they included price projections? That could eliminate all but the most well paid professionals.

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Jul 1, 2015 17:54:06   #
JPL
 
Bobspez wrote:
The 1"sensor, or for Nikon, the CX sensor, is 8.8mm x 13.2mm. It is available on some Sony and Samsung cameras and on the Nikon 1 dslr.There's no rhyme or reason why it is called 1". It has a 2.7 crop factor compared to your DX sensor's 1.5 crop factor.


It is not only available on some Sony and Samsung and Nikon cameras, but also Canon and Lumix and Leica and Hasselblad and of course Panasonic and probably some others I do not remember.

Fuji is also using this sensor format.

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