The lens of our dreams is about to be real.
Jun 27, 2015 14:44:34 #
SharpShooter wrote:
Moonhawk, a quick story, on what I consider one of... (show quote)
I spent a lot of time on the Serpentine Walk on the Ohio, where the river separates Cincinnati, from Covington KY.
Surprised I have no pictures of the Flying Pigs along the Serpentine Walk. Was a real fan of the TV show, WKRP in Cincinnati. Almost busted a gut when the station decided to lob Turkeys from a helicopter, to fly down onto the city for T-giving, unaware that turkeys cannot fly. Might as well have dropped Pigs.`
:XD:
Jun 27, 2015 16:50:48 #
Nikon already has the 1" sensor, known as the CX sensor on the Nikon 1 cameras. They also have a small Nikon 1 10-30mm lens to cover the wide angle to portrait ranges.
For telephoto, you can use any autofocus or manual focus f-mount lens with the Nikon FT 1 adapter.
The downside is the Nikon 1 cameras have just about the worst low light performance around, just 372 ISO vs. 919 ISO on my Nikon D3100 or 1458 ISO on a D5500.
On the plus side, you can pick up a used 10MP Nikon 1 J1 body on ebay for less than $100. Add an FT 1 adapter and a used manual focus 500mm telephoto lens and a manual 2x TC and you have 2700 mm focal length weighing less than 4 lbs for less than $400 - see below.
For telephoto, you can use any autofocus or manual focus f-mount lens with the Nikon FT 1 adapter.
The downside is the Nikon 1 cameras have just about the worst low light performance around, just 372 ISO vs. 919 ISO on my Nikon D3100 or 1458 ISO on a D5500.
On the plus side, you can pick up a used 10MP Nikon 1 J1 body on ebay for less than $100. Add an FT 1 adapter and a used manual focus 500mm telephoto lens and a manual 2x TC and you have 2700 mm focal length weighing less than 4 lbs for less than $400 - see below.
Jun 27, 2015 17:13:32 #
Well guys. It is nice to see the discussion about this upcoming lens or bridge camera with it from Nikon.
Many are thinking about price. I would say that if bridge camera from Nikon with this lens would show up this year the price might be around $1500.
Many are discussing flying pigs. For your information a pig from Canon is flying in very soon. It is the Canon powershot G3X. That is a camera that is similar to the Nikon bridge camera I am expecting except their lens is 24-600 mm full frame equivalent. That camera also has the 1" sensor (CX format). Sony has had 2 pigs flying in already with the Sony RX10 and RX10 II. The Nikon pig is not so different from the other flying pigs, except that will have a lens that covers bigger range than other flying pigs we have seen until now :twisted:
About other critic here on this topic I just want to inform you that camera technology is changing very fast. The reason for the fast growing popularity of the CX format sensor are mainly 2 things.
1. Many of the "usual" point and shoot and bridge cameras have the same sensor size as a typical smartphone today. And what is the point in making cameras that have image quality on pair with your phone? Of course it makes no sense when everyone is buying a cellphone with the same image quality. To make cell phone users want to buy a camera they have to gain something in image quality and usability of the camera compared to their cellphone. That is why all camera makers are switching to CX format cameras as their base cameras. And that is why all camera makers are figuring out how to make "one size fit all" lenses to put in front of those sensors. And that is why all camera makers are putting up to 5 axis and 5 stop image stabilizing in those cameras or lenses to make them usable in almost every situation. And this is why camera makers are making their sensors more advanced, with backlit technology to make them better in low light. And that is why they are putting 4K video capabilities in their cameras and that is why they are improving auto focus and fps. And when they do all this in cameras with the CX sensors they are actually making products that are small enough and capable enough to make them interesting for the typical smartphone owner who does not want to buy a dslr sized camera and lot of lenses, but a good camera that can be used for almost everything the owner might want to photograph. By making those flying pigs as some call it, camera makers are just making the products the customer wants and the products the camera makers need to survive.
2. The smaller sensors used in point and shoot and most bridge cameras today are simply too small to be improved much further. So there is no realistic future in working more around them. To make that possible there would first have to be a revolution in the stuff they are made of.
I understand it well that many worry they will never have enough money to buy a camera with this kind of lens or that this is a technology that is impossible to manufacture. But the truth is that camera technology is advancing very fast. I believe that this year and next year will be one of the biggest years ever in digital camera technology. Nobody did believe that Nikon would launch a 36 mpx camera some years ago until people actually saw it in the D800 camera. That was a huge flying pig at that time. This year Sony, Pentax and even Canon are launching full frame cameras with much more megapixels and you do not think of them as flying pigs :D Why??? It is nothing new that Nikon takes huge steps in camera technology and this new lens and the camera behind it is just one of them.
Many are thinking about price. I would say that if bridge camera from Nikon with this lens would show up this year the price might be around $1500.
Many are discussing flying pigs. For your information a pig from Canon is flying in very soon. It is the Canon powershot G3X. That is a camera that is similar to the Nikon bridge camera I am expecting except their lens is 24-600 mm full frame equivalent. That camera also has the 1" sensor (CX format). Sony has had 2 pigs flying in already with the Sony RX10 and RX10 II. The Nikon pig is not so different from the other flying pigs, except that will have a lens that covers bigger range than other flying pigs we have seen until now :twisted:
About other critic here on this topic I just want to inform you that camera technology is changing very fast. The reason for the fast growing popularity of the CX format sensor are mainly 2 things.
1. Many of the "usual" point and shoot and bridge cameras have the same sensor size as a typical smartphone today. And what is the point in making cameras that have image quality on pair with your phone? Of course it makes no sense when everyone is buying a cellphone with the same image quality. To make cell phone users want to buy a camera they have to gain something in image quality and usability of the camera compared to their cellphone. That is why all camera makers are switching to CX format cameras as their base cameras. And that is why all camera makers are figuring out how to make "one size fit all" lenses to put in front of those sensors. And that is why all camera makers are putting up to 5 axis and 5 stop image stabilizing in those cameras or lenses to make them usable in almost every situation. And this is why camera makers are making their sensors more advanced, with backlit technology to make them better in low light. And that is why they are putting 4K video capabilities in their cameras and that is why they are improving auto focus and fps. And when they do all this in cameras with the CX sensors they are actually making products that are small enough and capable enough to make them interesting for the typical smartphone owner who does not want to buy a dslr sized camera and lot of lenses, but a good camera that can be used for almost everything the owner might want to photograph. By making those flying pigs as some call it, camera makers are just making the products the customer wants and the products the camera makers need to survive.
2. The smaller sensors used in point and shoot and most bridge cameras today are simply too small to be improved much further. So there is no realistic future in working more around them. To make that possible there would first have to be a revolution in the stuff they are made of.
I understand it well that many worry they will never have enough money to buy a camera with this kind of lens or that this is a technology that is impossible to manufacture. But the truth is that camera technology is advancing very fast. I believe that this year and next year will be one of the biggest years ever in digital camera technology. Nobody did believe that Nikon would launch a 36 mpx camera some years ago until people actually saw it in the D800 camera. That was a huge flying pig at that time. This year Sony, Pentax and even Canon are launching full frame cameras with much more megapixels and you do not think of them as flying pigs :D Why??? It is nothing new that Nikon takes huge steps in camera technology and this new lens and the camera behind it is just one of them.
Jun 27, 2015 17:26:35 #
Lenses are always a compromise of size, price, and image quality produced. You can have one, or two if you're lucky, but never three. My guess that this will be fairly small, but expensive and not very good. We'll see...
Jun 27, 2015 18:16:03 #
Jackdoor wrote:
Lenses are always a compromise of size, price, and image quality produced. You can have one, or two if you're lucky, but never three. My guess that this will be fairly small, but expensive and not very good. We'll see...
Yes, but this lens does not yet exist!!
On paper, we can have anything we want.
Let's not forget it's a theoretical lens for a theoretical camera with a very small sensor. I wouldn't get too worked up over it.
Nikon still has to answer the Canon 7Dll before they tackle a lens like that!! :lol:
SS
Jun 27, 2015 19:04:54 #
SharpShooter wrote:
Yes, but this lens does not yet exist!!
On paper, we can have anything we want.
Let's not forget it's a theoretical lens for a theoretical camera with a very small sensor. I wouldn't get too worked up over it.
Nikon still has to answer the Canon 7Dll before they tackle a lens like that!! :lol:
SS
On paper, we can have anything we want.
Let's not forget it's a theoretical lens for a theoretical camera with a very small sensor. I wouldn't get too worked up over it.
Nikon still has to answer the Canon 7Dll before they tackle a lens like that!! :lol:
SS
Samsung did that :wink:
Jun 27, 2015 19:24:34 #
JPL wrote:
Now Nikon has secured a patent for a 10-600 mm len... (show quote)
Just not interested in bridge cameras and their zooms.
Jun 27, 2015 19:28:00 #
Bobspez wrote:
On the plus side, you can pick up a used 10MP Nikon 1 J1 body on ebay for less than $100. Add an FT 1 adapter and a used manual focus 500mm telephoto lens and a manual 2x TC and you have 2700 mm focal length weighing less than 4 lbs for less than $400 - see below.
I have that lens and a 3x TC. 3000mm on micro four thirds. At f/22 though, not exactly sharp on mine or yours.
Jun 27, 2015 20:14:30 #
JPL wrote:
Samsung did that :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
JPL, are YOU gonna adopt one of THOSE orphans!!! :shock:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Jun 27, 2015 22:31:22 #
What you saw as the famous and IconicBattersea Power Plant on the south side of the Thames. It has long been moth-balled.
Thanks for the memories.
Thanks for the memories.
Jun 27, 2015 22:41:32 #
I would be interested in it. The first digital camera I bought was a Leica V Lux 3. It goes from 24 or so to 600. That was pretty extreme to me at the time. My first time out was an Alaska cruise. I took pictures at both ends of the range. Panasonic and Leica sell cameras with good lenses, fast focusing, and an 1 inch sensor. They take 4k video. I would buy one if they went out to 1200 or so. but I refuse to buy another camera with the small sensor. The Nikon P900 has greater range than I ever need, but a small sensor. Canon makes a G1X Mark 11 that Consumer reports got the best pictures they have ever gotten out on a digital camera, but it goes from 24 to 120. I always thought I would have a DSLR, but I can't imagine what it would cost to buy enough lenses to satisfy me and won't put up with carrying around all that expensive glass. I am not a photographer, just someone who takes a lot of pictures. I am also not smart enough to do very much setting my many cameras.
I keep a camera in each car and in my pick up truck. When we pick corn, I have a camera in each truck.
I keep a camera in each car and in my pick up truck. When we pick corn, I have a camera in each truck.
Jun 28, 2015 01:07:43 #
It's true, it's not real sharp, but not bad. Attached is an unprocessed jpg out of the camera, of a flower shot in sunlight at 40 ft with this camera, lens and 2x TC. With the 2x TC, the f8 became f16. This was iso 800 at 1/60 sec., with a tripod and 10 second delay shutter.
n3eg wrote:
I have that lens and a 3x TC. 3000mm on micro four thirds. At f/22 though, not exactly sharp on mine or yours.
Jun 28, 2015 01:27:39 #
Kuzano wrote:
I spent a lot of time on the Serpentine Walk on the Ohio, where the river separates Cincinnati, from Covington KY.
Surprised I have no pictures of the Flying Pigs along the Serpentine Walk. Was a real fan of the TV show, WKRP in Cincinnati. Almost busted a gut when the station decided to lob Turkeys from a helicopter, to fly down onto the city for T-giving, unaware that turkeys cannot fly. Might as well have dropped Pigs.`
:XD:
Surprised I have no pictures of the Flying Pigs along the Serpentine Walk. Was a real fan of the TV show, WKRP in Cincinnati. Almost busted a gut when the station decided to lob Turkeys from a helicopter, to fly down onto the city for T-giving, unaware that turkeys cannot fly. Might as well have dropped Pigs.`
:XD:
Domesticated turkeys can't fly, but wild turkeys fly. They nest in trees.
Jun 28, 2015 01:45:10 #
Superzoom lenses are great for lazy people who hate changing lenses, but they are never as sharp as either shorter range zooms, or Prime lenses. If you are going on a low budget around the world tour, and want to take just one carry on bag, with no checked baggage, and so need to do all your photography with one lens, the soon to be 10-600mm may be the lens for you. If you want really sharp images, you may want to skip it.
Jun 28, 2015 05:10:30 #
The best thing about the 1" sensor format and lenses for it in bridge cameras or mirrorless systems is that it provides pretty good quality for pretty good price. If we look at price and image quality only I would say that for most needs you would get about 98-99% of high end dslr image quality for less then 9% of the price you have to pay for the high end gear. That is a pretty good price/quality ratio.
In addition this format is lightweight and compact. And it is much cheaper to produce quality zoom lenses with very wide range for this sensor format because you have the sensor zoom of approx 2.7 compared to full frame. So a lens that is 10-600 mm is probably easier and cheaper to manufacture than the Sigma 50-500, Tamrom 150-600 etc. And because of the sensor format it is easier to keep up the lens quality with 1"sensor behind the lens. And those Tamron and Sigma lenses are selling for around $1000 so we already have a price for much bulkier and heavier lenses to compare with. And those are the lenses to compare with because Nikon is just adding to the wide end the range down to 10 mm. The tele end goes to 600 mm. And the zoom factor of the sensor makes it look like a 1600 mm lens at the tele end. That is all there is to it. Not so much magic is some seem to believe. Maybe the big misunderstanding here is that many people do not understand that in f.x. bridge cameras lot of the zoom is done with the size of the sensor. The Nikon P900 that is 2000 mm equivalent at the tele end is actually 357 mm at the tele end, not 2000 mm. But with a sensor zoom (crop) factor of around 5.6 you get as close to your subject as if you were putting 2000 mm lens on a full format camera.
I know many people ditch this and see nothing but a full format dslr as a proper camera. But this is just technology folks, that is changing the industry. It is not only bigger full frame sensors and better processing engines in full frame cameras and better post processing software and better lenses for full frame cameras that is happening in the industry. It is also this relatively new format that is developing. It is like Tesla in the motor industry, bridges for the roads, PC in the computer industry, Samsung in the smartphone industry etc. It is a format that is taking the photo industry further than has ever been done before for the general public.
In addition this format is lightweight and compact. And it is much cheaper to produce quality zoom lenses with very wide range for this sensor format because you have the sensor zoom of approx 2.7 compared to full frame. So a lens that is 10-600 mm is probably easier and cheaper to manufacture than the Sigma 50-500, Tamrom 150-600 etc. And because of the sensor format it is easier to keep up the lens quality with 1"sensor behind the lens. And those Tamron and Sigma lenses are selling for around $1000 so we already have a price for much bulkier and heavier lenses to compare with. And those are the lenses to compare with because Nikon is just adding to the wide end the range down to 10 mm. The tele end goes to 600 mm. And the zoom factor of the sensor makes it look like a 1600 mm lens at the tele end. That is all there is to it. Not so much magic is some seem to believe. Maybe the big misunderstanding here is that many people do not understand that in f.x. bridge cameras lot of the zoom is done with the size of the sensor. The Nikon P900 that is 2000 mm equivalent at the tele end is actually 357 mm at the tele end, not 2000 mm. But with a sensor zoom (crop) factor of around 5.6 you get as close to your subject as if you were putting 2000 mm lens on a full format camera.
I know many people ditch this and see nothing but a full format dslr as a proper camera. But this is just technology folks, that is changing the industry. It is not only bigger full frame sensors and better processing engines in full frame cameras and better post processing software and better lenses for full frame cameras that is happening in the industry. It is also this relatively new format that is developing. It is like Tesla in the motor industry, bridges for the roads, PC in the computer industry, Samsung in the smartphone industry etc. It is a format that is taking the photo industry further than has ever been done before for the general public.
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