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Apr 26, 2015 08:36:14   #
dkguill Loc: Elkhart, IN
 
I have read here on the forum and in other places that the new 5DS or 5DS R requires L lenses to resolve images at 50 mp. I'm considering buying the camera and I own 2 "L" lenses. The question is...will they be adequate? I currently own a 24-105L and a 28-300L. Since most of my work is in the studio shooting product, I'm expecting that the 24-105 L will continue to work well with the new 5DS. I have a 5D Mk2 and a 7D Mk2 for other work. So will the 2 L lenses I have do the job? If I have to buy another lens, what should it be?

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Apr 26, 2015 09:58:18   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
dkguill wrote:
I have read here on the forum and in other places that the new 5DS or 5DS R requires L lenses to resolve images at 50 mp. I'm considering buying the camera and I own 2 "L" lenses. The question is...will they be adequate? I currently own a 24-105L and a 28-300L. Since most of my work is in the studio shooting product, I'm expecting that the 24-105 L will continue to work well with the new 5DS. I have a 5D Mk2 and a 7D Mk2 for other work. So will the 2 L lenses I have do the job? If I have to buy another lens, what should it be?
I have read here on the forum and in other places ... (show quote)


You already possess one of Canon's best all-around lens, the 24-105mm. In studio use might include the 35mm or 50mm L lenses. They are two of the best in the series. Both work very well in minimum light. The new 11-24 is nice, but way up the list on MSRP. For tight shots (with zoom) the 16-35mm is extremely popular, as it is very good. The 17-40mm will give very similar results, choked down, at a considerably lower price. Both lenses are great performers. Your 28-300mm sounds out of place in studio use, but you are the end user and know what you want. With your camera you might want to look at Zeiss Oculus, it is now available in 50mm and 85mm. Zeiss shoot differently from AF lenses and are extremely clear and sharp, color is unbeatable. You situation is somewhat unique, you are venturing into uncharted waters with the new 5Ds. We here on the Hog have not experienced any shots taken with one. Please share your results when you are comfortable to do so. GL

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Apr 26, 2015 10:08:37   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
I have the 24-105 L for my 7DM2 and it is a nice lens, but is it a "great lens"?

Watch this video by Tony Northrup where he compares the Sigma 50 ART to the Canon 1.4 and 1.8:

http://youtu.be/Y0ao1hH-x6E

Note what he says at around 10:33 - 10:40 in the clip when he puts the 24-105 on his camera for comparison: "As expected the 24 to 105 was unsharp. It's just not a great lens."

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Apr 26, 2015 10:11:45   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Initially, I would just use what you've got and see if the results are up to your expectations. If not... or just to see what might be better, start doing some research based upon your particular needs.

With a 50MP camera, the key question will be if the lenses have adequate resolving power to keep up with the sensor. You can find some lens-to-lens comparisons online (though they will have been tested on older camera models) at sites such as http://www.dxomark.com/ and http://www.the-digital-picture.com. There you might compare some of the latest and most highly regarded lenses against yours... such as the 24-70/2.8L II USM vs your 24-105L, and the 70-200/2.8L II IS USM vs your 28-300L. http://www.lensrentals.com also does a lot of lens testing, but they only publish results with a limited number of lenses (they were quite impressed with the 24-70/2.8L II, though).

I hardly think the new cameras will only work well with "L-series". There are some superb lenses that aren't L. For example the EF 100/2.8 USM (non-L, non-IS) pretty much matches the newer 100L Macro for image quality and build... and is faster focusing, identical build to the 180/3.5L. Also the 45/2.8 TS-E and 90/2.8 TS-E aren't L-series, but are identical build to the original 24/3.5L TS-S and both the 45mm and 90mm have image quality rivaling that of the TS-E 24/3.5L II and TS-E 17/4L. (I especially mention the macro and the two longer TS-E lenses because I personally find them very useful for product shots in studio.)

Another example, for max image quality and sharpness edge-to-edge, I'd buy the EF 24/2.8 IS USM or 35/2 IS USM over the EF 24/1.4L USM or EF 35/1.4L USM. If I were a photojournalist, I'd get the f1.4L lenses instead. A portrait shooter might want the EF 85/1.2L USM, but for sports or any sort of action shooting the EF 85/1.8 USM is faster focusing.

I wouldn't even rule out third party lenses. There are some truly excellent ones, such as Sigma's "Art" series. If willing to focus manually, many of the Zeiss ZE lenses are superb, too.

My point, though, is that I wouldn't limit myself to just L-series lenses. Depending upon your particular needs, something else might be a better choice.

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Apr 26, 2015 10:20:58   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
I think the best answer would be to just send your 50MP camera to me and let me check it our on a variety of lenses, then I can report back to you :)

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Apr 26, 2015 11:27:55   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
dkguill wrote:
I have read here on the forum and in other places that the new 5DS or 5DS R requires L lenses to resolve images at 50 mp. I'm considering buying the camera and I own 2 "L" lenses. The question is...will they be adequate? I currently own a 24-105L and a 28-300L. Since most of my work is in the studio shooting product, I'm expecting that the 24-105 L will continue to work well with the new 5DS. I have a 5D Mk2 and a 7D Mk2 for other work. So will the 2 L lenses I have do the job? If I have to buy another lens, what should it be?
I have read here on the forum and in other places ... (show quote)


Right now, any answer you get is going to be pure speculation. Once the camera hits the market there will be plenty of far better informed reports as to what works best and what what doesn't. All the "experts" can look at all the data and give their opinions, none of which will be worth anything until the cameras are in actual user's hands. Unless you absolutely have to be the first kid on the block to have one, I suggest you just wait until the other kids have done the experimenting for you. :-D

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Apr 26, 2015 21:26:30   #
dkguill Loc: Elkhart, IN
 
davidrb wrote:
You already possess one of Canon's best all-around lens, the 24-105mm. In studio use might include the 35mm or 50mm L lenses. They are two of the best in the series. Both work very well in minimum light. The new 11-24 is nice, but way up the list on MSRP. For tight shots (with zoom) the 16-35mm is extremely popular, as it is very good. The 17-40mm will give very similar results, choked down, at a considerably lower price. Both lenses are great performers. Your 28-300mm sounds out of place in studio use, but you are the end user and know what you want. With your camera you might want to look at Zeiss Oculus, it is now available in 50mm and 85mm. Zeiss shoot differently from AF lenses and are extremely clear and sharp, color is unbeatable. You situation is somewhat unique, you are venturing into uncharted waters with the new 5Ds. We here on the Hog have not experienced any shots taken with one. Please share your results when you are comfortable to do so. GL
You already possess one of Canon's best all-around... (show quote)


Thanks for the reply. Most helpful suggestions. I agree that the 28-300 is out of place in the studio and I didn't mean to imply that it was being used there. It has some application for location shooting and other out-of-studio work. It just happens to be one of two "L" lenses that I own now and I would hope it could be used on the 5DS when not in the studio. Again, thanks for the helpful input.

I am told that the 100mm 2.8 macro, which I also own, has some "L" like qualities and might be usable on the 5DS as well.

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Apr 26, 2015 21:30:28   #
dkguill Loc: Elkhart, IN
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Initially, I would just use what you've got and see if the results are up to your expectations. If not... or just to see what might be better, start doing some research based upon your particular needs.

With a 50MP camera, the key question will be if the lenses have adequate resolving power to keep up with the sensor. You can find some lens-to-lens comparisons online (though they will have been tested on older camera models) at sites such as http://www.dxomark.com/ and http://www.the-digital-picture.com. There you might compare some of the latest and most highly regarded lenses against yours... such as the 24-70/2.8L II USM vs your 24-105L, and the 70-200/2.8L II IS USM vs your 28-300L. http://www.lensrentals.com also does a lot of lens testing, but they only publish results with a limited number of lenses (they were quite impressed with the 24-70/2.8L II, though).

I hardly think the new cameras will only work well with "L-series". There are some superb lenses that aren't L. For example the EF 100/2.8 USM (non-L, non-IS) pretty much matches the newer 100L Macro for image quality and build... and is faster focusing, identical build to the 180/3.5L. Also the 45/2.8 TS-E and 90/2.8 TS-E aren't L-series, but are identical build to the original 24/3.5L TS-S and both the 45mm and 90mm have image quality rivaling that of the TS-E 24/3.5L II and TS-E 17/4L. (I especially mention the macro and the two longer TS-E lenses because I personally find them very useful for product shots in studio.)

Another example, for max image quality and sharpness edge-to-edge, I'd buy the EF 24/2.8 IS USM or 35/2 IS USM over the EF 24/1.4L USM or EF 35/1.4L USM. If I were a photojournalist, I'd get the f1.4L lenses instead. A portrait shooter might want the EF 85/1.2L USM, but for sports or any sort of action shooting the EF 85/1.8 USM is faster focusing.

I wouldn't even rule out third party lenses. There are some truly excellent ones, such as Sigma's "Art" series. If willing to focus manually, many of the Zeiss ZE lenses are superb, too.

My point, though, is that I wouldn't limit myself to just L-series lenses. Depending upon your particular needs, something else might be a better choice.
Initially, I would just use what you've got and se... (show quote)


Thanks for your detailed reply. I do own a 100mm macro 2.8 that you described. I wasn't sure that it would meet the challenge but I will certainly give it a try when the time comes. I think your suggestion to go with what I have is the logical approach. If I need more for my purposes I can add another piece of glass later. Your suggestions for other lens options is most helpful.

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Apr 26, 2015 21:34:08   #
dkguill Loc: Elkhart, IN
 
Basil wrote:
I think the best answer would be to just send your 50MP camera to me and let me check it our on a variety of lenses, then I can report back to you :)


Interesting suggestion. I can clearly see, however, that taking advantage of your kind offer would be an imposition on your time and talents that I could not, in all good conscience, consider. You are just too generous.

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Apr 26, 2015 21:37:12   #
dkguill Loc: Elkhart, IN
 
LFingar wrote:
Right now, any answer you get is going to be pure speculation. Once the camera hits the market there will be plenty of far better informed reports as to what works best and what what doesn't. All the "experts" can look at all the data and give their opinions, none of which will be worth anything until the cameras are in actual user's hands. Unless you absolutely have to be the first kid on the block to have one, I suggest you just wait until the other kids have done the experimenting for you. :-D
Right now, any answer you get is going to be pure ... (show quote)


I reached for the pre-order button at Adorama a couple of times but withdrew without pushing it just yet. Your suggestion makes a lot of sense and I really don't have to be the first on the block. I am no doubt suffering to some extent from a GAS attack. Hopefully it will pass for now and give me time to use your approach. Thanks for your suggestion.

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Apr 26, 2015 23:35:54   #
Haydon
 
I can't quote the article but most L lenses past 2010 should do well from what I read.

I have my eye on this camera BUT I want to see what the reviews say excluding DXO which typically hates Canon.

Like to see a modest increase in DR but from what I understand it's equivalent is comparable to a 5D3. Not that is a complaint so much as to say but what will the 5d4 offer instead at the end of 2015.

Megapixel shouldn't be the only selling point with the 5Ds/5DsR.

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Apr 27, 2015 05:42:19   #
lukan Loc: Chicago, IL
 
dkguill wrote:
I have read here on the forum and in other places that the new 5DS or 5DS R requires L lenses to resolve images at 50 mp. I'm considering buying the camera and I own 2 "L" lenses. The question is...will they be adequate? I currently own a 24-105L and a 28-300L. Since most of my work is in the studio shooting product, I'm expecting that the 24-105 L will continue to work well with the new 5DS. I have a 5D Mk2 and a 7D Mk2 for other work. So will the 2 L lenses I have do the job? If I have to buy another lens, what should it be?
I have read here on the forum and in other places ... (show quote)


If most of your work is in the studio shooting product, I would suggest one of the excellent primes might be your next purchase: 85mm, 100mm macro (outstanding lens), 135mm. :thumbup:

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Apr 27, 2015 06:45:33   #
johnst1001a Loc: West Chester, Ohio
 
Though the Nikon 810 has less mp than the new Canon, can anyone with the 810 or 800 tell us what their experience is with lenses? Did you have to go to much faster lenses, and if so, which ones did you find work best?

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Apr 27, 2015 06:57:56   #
Edmund Dworakowski
 
I upgraded to a Nikon D800 a while back and found out that these high MP cameras demand the very best glass available.
Remember that Best does not necessarily mean Most Expensive. I'd keep an eye on reviews from DXOmark and (bite my tongue) Ken Rockwell. Don't forget Third Party mfgrs. like Tamron and Sigma Art lenses which have really come a very long way...

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Apr 27, 2015 08:55:04   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
dkguill wrote:
I have read here on the forum and in other places that the new 5DS or 5DS R requires L lenses to resolve images at 50 mp. I'm considering buying the camera and I own 2 "L" lenses. The question is...will they be adequate? I currently own a 24-105L and a 28-300L. Since most of my work is in the studio shooting product, I'm expecting that the 24-105 L will continue to work well with the new 5DS. I have a 5D Mk2 and a 7D Mk2 for other work. So will the 2 L lenses I have do the job? If I have to buy another lens, what should it be?
I have read here on the forum and in other places ... (show quote)


just curious you have a 5 and 7d, so other than 50 MP raw file why the DS? Are you doing road side signs?

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