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Feb 21, 2014 12:23:45   #
Sierracoyote Loc: Sierra Nevada Mountains
 
These photos are FALSE and have been Photoshopped. There were a series of these being circulated by a group of....
Check them out through SNOPES. There is also an investigation into the creators of these photos. There are a lot more than what you put up.

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Feb 21, 2014 12:28:13   #
FutureLook Loc: Florida, USA
 
Shellback wrote:
Thought you would like to see some pictures of the size of the Canadian Grey Wolf introduced into the US.

Some facts on wolves...

This is a picture of a pack of 25 wolves taken in the Weippe area in Idaho. Although you might not agree with hunting, this shows the size of the animal in relation to the human.

Each one of these eats 24 elk per year. This group alone will consume 600 elk this year. That doesn't even factor in the "sport kills."

The Canadian Gray Wolf runs in packs of up to twenty wolves. For every one animal they kill to eat, these Canadian wolves kill about three more just for the fun of it. The biologists call it "sport-reflex killing" or "lustful killing". The Canadian Gray Wolf is a killing machine.

These are federal wolves, as it was the federal government who introduced them into Idaho over our objections. They told the state of Idaho that the wolves would be considered recovered when they had a total of 100 wolves in Idaho . Now they have between 800 and 2,000 wolves and the situation is out of control.

Idaho 's wolf emergency is a state issue. And in this situation, the state of Idaho has both a duty and the authority to protect its people and their property. House Bill 343 lays out the facts, the argument and the authority to do so. - Idaho Rep Phil Hart.

Can you imagine gun control out there?

This is not a good place to let the cat out.

Make sure you are packing protection when you go for a walk in the mountains.

You never know when a wolf pack might surround you!
Thought you would like to see some pictures of the... (show quote)


Wow. It is really amazing how the have multiplied and how it is affecting some in a negative way. We had the same situations with alligators in South Florida that were at the point of extinction until the government put a ban in hunting. Now they have become a big problem for many where they are showing up all over ponds and many canals where little kids have been attacked and killed in some instances. Alligator hunting is still controlled and limited in spite of their tremendous growth.

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Feb 21, 2014 12:29:52   #
Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas
 
Between the bears, wolves and the mountain lions, a lot of people are stopping their trips into the mountains or they are joining larger groups and going armed. Although the media does not want to publish the numbers because it will shut down the tourist trade, the attacks on humans is on the rise and weekend backpacker is now taken his/her life into their own hands.
Developments in the mountains is forcing the animals to interact with humans on a more frequent basis and one of the unfortunate results is that the animals are becoming more aggressive towards humans. When they are no longer afraid of the human, and the human is unarmed, the human finds out that they are not the top of the food chain.
There are numerous videos on line showing bears on porches, in trees, backyards, garages, etc... and deer are showing up in stores and restaurants. Makes you wonder what Mother Nature has in store for us next...

So if you are going to the hills for photo ops - be aware and be safe...

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Feb 21, 2014 12:43:17   #
Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas
 
Sierracoyote wrote:
These photos are FALSE and have been Photoshopped. There were a series of these being circulated by a group of....
Check them out through SNOPES. There is also an investigation into the creators of these photos. There are a lot more than what you put up.


Ok - I reviewed snopes - and what is in discussion is the "location" of the photo's of the harvested wolves, not the actual photo's themselves. The experts are thinking the wolves were shot in Canada...

The pack of wolves walking the path is not mentioned in the snopes article and came to me from a county extension agent.

I apologize for the confusion on the dead wolf photo as I did not mean to imply it was taken in Idaho, I was trying to point out the size of the them in relation to the human body. I will be more clear in my future posts.

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Feb 21, 2014 13:01:36   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
rolf wrote:
Subject: How wolves changed a river



Thanks for sharing. Interesting but I had one nit pick. The narrator talked about the reduction of the deer but kept showing pictures of elk herds which are more devastating than deer.









http://youtu.be/ysa5OBhXz-Q

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Feb 21, 2014 13:23:28   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
Sometimes we get so caught up in ourselves we lose perspective of our surroundings. It nice to get a break and take a moment to smell the roses. I've been to YNP and it was an enjoyable moment to view insight whether pro/con or just immersed into it. Thanks for the moment.

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Feb 21, 2014 14:07:00   #
Sierracoyote Loc: Sierra Nevada Mountains
 
I am a Ranger in a National Forest where we have black bears, coyotes and mountain lions. We have over 2-million visitors a year and I have not ever recorded or have reports of any "attacks" on humans or their companion dogs.
Bears will wonder into a camp get what they want, smell for food and leave. If you block their escape they will run over you. Think ahead and store food properly, store waste properly and think "Leave No Trace"

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Feb 21, 2014 16:11:27   #
Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas
 
A few recent news articles show that there are dangerous animals out there and we subject to their actions...

I'm just saying that if you are going to be hiking in nature, take precautions...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/scottish-couple-attacked-by-bear-california-video-1433807

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/d-d-o-resident-survives-polar-bear-attack-only-to-be-saddled-with-hefty-bill-1.1688355

http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/wildlife/state-wildlife-officials-ask-for-money-to-speed-response-to-bear-complaints/2165241
TAMPA — In the wake of the worst bear attack on a human in Florida history, state wildlife officials are asking the Legislature for a half-million dollars to help them respond more quickly to complaints about bears...
...In 1974, when the state's bear population had dwindled to an estimated 300, the state banned hunting them. Now the estimated population is 3,000. As the population has grown, so have the number of complaints about bears showing up where people now live — taking a dip in the hot tub, for instance, or breaking into a storage shed looking for grub.
In 2011, a bear complaint hotline handled about 4,000 calls, Wiley said. In 2012, that number had increased 50 percent to about 6,000....


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-mountain-lion-attacked-man-perris-20140202,0,7490597.story#axzz2tzbnmosR

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/mountain-lion-warning-for-coal-creek-canyon-area-after-several-dog-attacks02172014

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Feb 21, 2014 16:41:55   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
Sierracoyote wrote:
Nature is very selective with NEGATIVE "things" which is always a POSITIVE action.
If you care to- look into the Isle Royal project to understand Population Periodism regarding wolves and moose, or read anything by Dr. David mech or Barry Lopez "Of Wolves and Men".
The narrator of this video is from the UK and yes he calls Elk "deer", but He is not incorrect- Deer are mammals that belong to the family Cervidae. There are many species in the deer family, including various types of deer, moose, elk (wapiti), caribou, and reindeer.
Next ask youself- Why does man hunt deer? For food, for sport, to control population so they don't over feed and damage the environment? Is that why man is also a preadator and shares the same niche as the wolf?
Nature has LOTS of lessons to be learned and if we don't understand then we (humans) will be the negative that nature will turn into a positive.
Nature is very selective with NEGATIVE "thing... (show quote)


not to be too picky but reindeer are caribou, same animal.
Reindeer are domesticated caribou.

Man, by hunting, helps control animal populations to keep them strong and viable.
When left to their own, animal populations can get out of control and over graze their lands and starve in winter.
Humans are predators as much as wolves and coyotes.

Interesting video

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Feb 21, 2014 17:02:09   #
Sierracoyote Loc: Sierra Nevada Mountains
 
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
not to be too picky but reindeer are caribou, same animal.
Reindeer are domesticated caribou.

Man, by hunting, helps control animal populations to keep them strong and viable.
When left to their own, animal populations can get out of control and over graze their lands and starve in winter.
Humans are predators as much as wolves and coyotes.

Interesting video


Right on!

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Feb 21, 2014 17:15:17   #
Sierracoyote Loc: Sierra Nevada Mountains
 
Shellback: In the first case there was garbage possibly available and I quote from the article (The animal, which neighbors say is a regular visitor in the neighborhood on days when rubbish is collected, is not thought to be a risk to public safety, according to game warden Charlie Healy.)

In Tampa Bay they do have a problem with increased bear population. Increased populations require more food source, Hmmm, garbage is more available than their natural food source.

Regarding the Polar bear, don't have a clue

Regarding the homeless man attacked by a mountain lion- If you look at the picture of his camp, what do you see? - Garbage!
The smells of garbage or any food source is an attractant, also human urine contains salt and animals require salt, hence another attractant, not to even mention human feces.

TAMPA — In the wake of the worst bear attack on a human in Florida history, state wildlife officials are asking the Legislature for a half-million dollars to help them respond more quickly to complaints about bears...
...In 1974, when the state's bear population had dwindled to an estimated 300, the state banned hunting them. Now the estimated population is 3,000. As the population has grown, so have the number of complaints about bears showing up where people now live — taking a dip in the hot tub, for instance, or breaking into a storage shed looking for grub.
In 2011, a bear complaint hotline handled about 4,000 calls, Wiley said. In 2012, that number had increased 50 percent to about 6,000....


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-mountain-lion-attacked-man-perris-20140202,0,7490597.story#axzz2tzbnmosR

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/mountain-lion-warning-for-coal-creek-canyon-area-after-several-dog-attacks02172014[/quote]

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Feb 21, 2014 18:24:53   #
riverlass Loc: northern California
 
Sierracoyote wrote:
Nature is very selective with NEGATIVE "things" which is always a POSITIVE action.
If you care to- look into the Isle Royal project to understand Population Periodism regarding wolves and moose, or read anything by Dr. David mech or Barry Lopez "Of Wolves and Men".
The narrator of this video is from the UK and yes he calls Elk "deer", but He is not incorrect- Deer are mammals that belong to the family Cervidae. There are many species in the deer family, including various types of deer, moose, elk (wapiti), caribou, and reindeer.
Next ask youself- Why does man hunt deer? For food, for sport, to control population so they don't over feed and damage the environment? Is that why man is also a preadator and shares the same niche as the wolf?
Nature has LOTS of lessons to be learned and if we don't understand then we (humans) will be the negative that nature will turn into a positive.
Nature is very selective with NEGATIVE "thing... (show quote)


Thank you Sierracoyote.
Nature will sort this all out for us if we don't quit messing up the balance. I'm embarrassed at man's inability to coexist with nature. We either destroy it or we "save" it... but we never seem to learn anything.

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Feb 21, 2014 18:41:52   #
Sierracoyote Loc: Sierra Nevada Mountains
 
riverlass wrote:
Thank you Sierracoyote.
Nature will sort this all out for us if we don't quit messing up the balance. I'm embarrassed at man's inability to coexist with nature. We either destroy it or we "save" it... but we never seem to learn anything.


I totally agree!
Nature abhors a vacuum and I believe we may be that vacuum. The only winner in a conflict with nature is...Nature

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Feb 21, 2014 22:31:56   #
Brian in Whitby Loc: Whitby, Ontario, Canada
 
Sierracoyote wrote:
Nature is very selective with NEGATIVE "things" which is always a POSITIVE action.
If you care to- look into the Isle Royal project to understand Population Periodism regarding wolves and moose, or read anything by Dr. David mech or Barry Lopez "Of Wolves and Men".
The narrator of this video is from the UK and yes he calls Elk "deer", but He is not incorrect- Deer are mammals that belong to the family Cervidae. There are many species in the deer family, including various types of deer, moose, elk (wapiti), caribou, and reindeer.
Next ask youself- Why does man hunt deer? For food, for sport, to control population so they don't over feed and damage the environment? Is that why man is also a preadator and shares the same niche as the wolf?
Nature has LOTS of lessons to be learned and if we don't understand then we (humans) will be the negative that nature will turn into a positive.
Nature is very selective with NEGATIVE "thing... (show quote)

The elk we refer to in North America are the same species as the "red deer" of Europe. They were called deer long before the term elk was applied to the animals. The native word wapiti is probably just as old.

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Feb 22, 2014 01:46:47   #
Sierracoyote Loc: Sierra Nevada Mountains
 
Brian in Whitby wrote:
The elk we refer to in North America are the same species as the "red deer" of Europe. They were called deer long before the term elk was applied to the animals. The native word wapiti is probably just as old.


Thanks Brian. The red deer of Europe are stunning creatures.

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