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Dec 16, 2013 10:44:56   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
imntrt1 wrote:
I have a working theory....If the Government is involved in the research it will be wrong. ;-) Another thing rarely brought up is being discussed regarding all the wildfires out west. When we inhabit an area prone to fires are we actually hindering mother natures natural changes and causing more problems in the long run. Building cities and towns in coastal areas might just be a recipe for disaster. That was being discussed after the deaths of 19 fire-fighters in Arizona. Anyway, I'm rambling about things I know little about...but...I see lots of common sense in your response heyrob.
I have a working theory....If the Government is in... (show quote)


You could be right. Check out the latest news story:

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/16/21911592-climate-change-experts-fraud-was-crime-of-massive-proportion-say-feds?lite

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Dec 16, 2013 10:46:55   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Scoutman wrote:
Wikipedia, highly respected in matters of scientific accuracy and always changing, modifying (willingness to change ones mind is kind of what science is all about), states:

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When did Wikipedia become a "highly respected" source for anything? Most colleges forbid their students from using Wikipedia as a source for research.

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Dec 16, 2013 11:27:36   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
DEBJENROB wrote:
What is wrong with you .... you quote a physicist who died in 1988 to make a point about a 21st Century problem .... global warming wasn't a perceived problem in 1988 ..... unless you have the ability to channel him ... find better experts to support your minority opinion ...


If you bothered to read my entire post, and the talk by Dr. Feynman you would see that what he said was completely relevant to the topic, if not addressed specifically toward it. The present debate over what was originally called Anthropogenic Global Warming, and now just Climate Change fits perfectly within what Feynman called "Cargo Cult Science". Basically it boils down to people acting like they are doing real science, but the fact that they do not follow the scientific method, they do not publish both what they claim works in their theories, as well as what does not, is proof positive that these people have a preconceived idea of what they wish to prove. In their quest to push a failked theory they will either manipulate the data (Remember Climategate?) or if an experiments sort of works once, but is not repeatable, they don't make that fact known, but only publish the data that works, and bury the part that fails. If you're not too proud to take a chance on learning something about science, watch the 20 minute video at the link I posted in that previous post. Maybe you'll learn what science is supposed to be about and how it's is supposed to be pursued.

While I clearly stated in that previous post that Feynman was not around when the global warming hype took off, the non-sense that is climate change extremism, has been around since at least the 1970's. Newsweek published and article in April 1976 link here:
http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf - about how we were heading into another mini-Ice Age, fast forward 15 to 20 years and the Global Warming doom and gloom began, and now that didn't pan out, so we'll just call it Climate Change and all the bases are covered. Funny how the scaremongers keep changing the rules of the game to try to stay relevant. Only the truly brain dead would fail to see through this BS. Ask yourself why after years of being told that higher CO2 levels were going to make the climate too warm to live, but despite the growing co2 levels the temperature has stayed pretty level for the past decade, and is now showing signs of decline. If one was true, how can it now be the opposite. Wake up people it's all a bunch of lies to separate you from your money, PERIOD.
His talk on Cargo Cult Science speaks directly of the type of pseudoscience that the present group of climate scaremongers practice.

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Dec 16, 2013 11:33:47   #
hamtrack Loc: Omaha NE
 
Ahem! I think maybe the sink holes could be attributed to dropping fresh water levels rather than having anything to do with sea levels.
Harvey wrote:
Much is said and true about the rising of the sea levels - BUT - not anything is said about them "Rising to previous levels" - All of Florida and the Yucatan Peninsula of MX is "Old Sea Bed" those are the two I know of - I know there are many more that I don't know of..

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Dec 16, 2013 11:35:38   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
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A report from the US National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado finds that Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, between 2007 and 2010. But didn’t we hear from the same Center that the North Pole was set to disappear by now? We all deserve apologies from the global warming fanatics who wanted to reshape the world in their image and called those who objected to their wild theories ignorant deniers. They were so convinced the world was ending and only they could save it, yet now they have been exposed as at best wildly idealistic and at worst frauds. They should have to do public penance for their hubris. I suggest they sit on blocks of melting ice and ponder their limitations. Either that or let the polar bears deal with them.

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Dec 16, 2013 11:40:04   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
Scoutman wrote:
Wikipedia, highly respected in matters of scientific accuracy and always changing, modifying (willingness to change ones mind is kind of what science is all about), states:

"Global warming is the rise in the average temperature of Earth's atmosphere and oceans since the late 19th century and its projected continuation. Since the early 20th century, Earth's mean surface temperature has increased by about 0.8 °C (1.4 °F), with about two-thirds of the increase occurring since 1980.[2] Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and scientists are 95-100% certain that it is primarily caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases produced by human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.[3][4][5] These findings are recognized by the national science academies of all major industrialized nations.[6][A]"

Lots of references, should one want to go to the trouble.

The National Geographic, Sept. 2013, has a feature article on "Rising Seas." One example given was the island of Maldives may force its 100,000 inhabitants to flee their homes by 2100. Unfortunately, I won't be around to check.

In another:

" 136 Large coastal cities now at risk from sea-level rise.
40 Million people at risk in those cities. $3 Trillion Value of assets at risk." p.31.

Gore is a politician who many love to hate. Though his timelines were inaccurate, the basis for his argument still remains valid, it would appear. And yes, he should be busy trying to reduce his carbon emissions on his property in Tennessee.

Feynman said his passion was to find out about stuff. I suggest we are still finding out about this stuff.

Maybe it, the trend, will be reversed. Many scientists don't think so.

The fact that there was snow in Eygypt recently, does not debunk the other theories and accumulating evidence.

I'm a scientist too. Hoopla! Turns out my specialty is sex. Investigating whether intense copulatory activity in waterbeds will lead to rising sea levels. Sure could lead to population increase. :(
Wikipedia, highly respected in matters of scientif... (show quote)


Be careful of your sources... http://www.techspot.com/news/28000-wikipedia-banned-in-schools.html

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Dec 16, 2013 11:46:39   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
imntrt1 wrote:
I have a working theory....If the Government is involved in the research it will be wrong. ;-) Another thing rarely brought up is being discussed regarding all the wildfires out west. When we inhabit an area prone to fires are we actually hindering mother natures natural changes and causing more problems in the long run. Building cities and towns in coastal areas might just be a recipe for disaster. That was being discussed after the deaths of 19 fire-fighters in Arizona. Anyway, I'm rambling about things I know little about...but...I see lots of common sense in your response heyrob.
I have a working theory....If the Government is in... (show quote)


Thank you, I pride myself on being a researcher. When I get interested in a subject I will devour everything I can find on the subject, and then make my own judgement on the matter. In the case at hand, I have been studying it for 15 years or more and most of what I see is not science, but pseudoscience. The scaremongers have a preconceived idea of the answer and so they only pick and choose the data they want to present to buttress their position.

Personally I find the whole thing distasteful, and it proves to me how totally scientifically illiterate the general public is, and so many liberals have been sold the idea by the party, that they will defend the position to the death, while not having a clue about the science involved.

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Dec 16, 2013 11:48:25   #
GSQRD1 Loc: SAN ANTONIO, TX
 
" Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and scientists are 95-100% certain that it is primarily caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases produced by human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation"
OK, here's your questions:
1. How much of that 95-100% certainty can be attributed to increased concentrations of greenhouse gases produced by human activities such as burning fossil fuels?
2. How much by deforestation?
3. I especially want to know your answer to the following: What do you believe is the most abundant green house gas in our atmosphere?
4. What do you believe would be the result of eliminating all the green house gases? :?

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Dec 16, 2013 12:01:07   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Scoutman wrote:
Wikipedia, highly respected in matters of scientific accuracy and always changing, modifying (willingness to change ones mind is kind of what science is all about), states:

"Global warming is the rise in the average temperature of Earth's atmosphere and oceans since the late 19th century and its projected continuation. Since the early 20th century, Earth's mean surface temperature has increased by about 0.8 °C (1.4 °F), with about two-thirds of the increase occurring since 1980.[2] Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and scientists are 95-100% certain that it is primarily caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases produced by human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.[3][4][5] These findings are recognized by the national science academies of all major industrialized nations.[6][A]"

Lots of references, should one want to go to the trouble.

The National Geographic, Sept. 2013, has a feature article on "Rising Seas." One example given was the island of Maldives may force its 100,000 inhabitants to flee their homes by 2100. Unfortunately, I won't be around to check.

In another:

" 136 Large coastal cities now at risk from sea-level rise.
40 Million people at risk in those cities. $3 Trillion Value of assets at risk." p.31.

Gore is a politician who many love to hate. Though his timelines were inaccurate, the basis for his argument still remains valid, it would appear. And yes, he should be busy trying to reduce his carbon emissions on his property in Tennessee.

Feynman said his passion was to find out about stuff. I suggest we are still finding out about this stuff.

Maybe it, the trend, will be reversed. Many scientists don't think so.

The fact that there was snow in Eygypt recently, does not debunk the other theories and accumulating evidence.

I'm a scientist too. Hoopla! Turns out my specialty is sex. Investigating whether intense copulatory activity in waterbeds will lead to rising sea levels. Sure could lead to population increase. :(
Wikipedia, highly respected in matters of scientif... (show quote)


I don't like pullution any more than you. however here are some facts about polar ice melting and sea level rise. If all I repeat all north pole ice melted tomorrow the total rise in sea level would be 0 inches. Want to prove it for yourself ? Fill the biggest pot you have with water and ice to the very top and watch it melt. Not 1 mm will spill out. As regards Earth surface temperature- there are no intenational standards as to where temperature monitors should be kept. Not as to kept how high off the ground or as to where they should be placed. As it turn out most readings are kept at airports. Air ports as you must know are paved. Temps taken on such surfaces are warmer than those on unpaved surfaces so the the measurement of surface temps are innacurate by nature. And by the way it has been cooloer for the last 17 years. A fact that has all the global warming alarmists confused about the rise in CO2 and how it effects Earth's temp.Does climate change exist? Yes! The Earth's climate has been changing forever. Where I sit now about 10 thousand years ago was covered by 1 mile thick ice. Guess what ? It melted. Why? It got warmer.

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Dec 16, 2013 12:02:24   #
hamtrack Loc: Omaha NE
 
I tend to practice common sense science for two reasons. The first being I am not a scientist and the second is based on what I see, not what I hear. What I hear is a good deal of blabber of consensus and counter blabber that the Global Warming crowd is full of it. Given the fact that the orange, grapefruit and vegetable crops in CA, FL and TX have suffered rather severe freeze damage coupled with the fact the Israel, Jordan, Syria, are snowboarding today, tells me that my common sense falls on the side of "Al Gore should be arrested for fraud. Further, Progressive Liberals need to try to find just a little common sense".

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Dec 16, 2013 12:41:43   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
amyinsparta wrote:
On the contrary, there was more than one scientist in the '80s predicting climate change and pointing out the evidence. But like every new idea, these were pooh poohed and ignored. It doesn't make it less true.


Heyrob quoted Feynman who did not believe that the planet was warming as a result of human activity ... he used Feynman to debunk Al Gores efforts to educate us with regard to human activity on climate change ...

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Dec 16, 2013 12:53:03   #
riverlass Loc: northern California
 
If you look at the history of the world, there are great changes over long periods of time. Climate change has always been a factor. It seems to me that MAN is the one thing that constantly tries to control nature because of his own fears and greed...and eventually, will go the way of the dinosaurs.
Yes, we need to take care not to pollute the environment for future generations, but this doomsday scenario is short sighted and, I suspect, money driven... and political.

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Dec 16, 2013 12:54:19   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
GSQRD1 wrote:
" Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and scientists are 95-100% certain that it is primarily caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases produced by human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation"
OK, here's your questions:
1. How much of that 95-100% certainty can be attributed to increased concentrations of greenhouse gases produced by human activities such as burning fossil fuels?
2. How much by deforestation?
3. I especially want to know your answer to the following: What do you believe is the most abundant green house gas in our atmosphere?
4. What do you believe would be the result of eliminating all the green house gases? :?
" Warming of the climate system is unequivoca... (show quote)


The fact remains that the "greenhouse gas" theory is a myth, there is no correlation between them and global average temperatures. As seen in this graph from NOAA, while CO2 has continued to rise the average temperature has declined from 2002 through 2010, this is why they changed the debate to Climate Change, because their lies of co2 making things hotter weren't panning out, so they changed the name to fit their game plan.

The pink line shows the temperature trend for 8 years. The green is CO2
The pink line shows the temperature trend for 8 ye...

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Dec 16, 2013 13:00:52   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
DEBJENROB wrote:
Heyrob quoted Feynman who did not believe that the planet was warming as a result of human activity ... he used Feynman to debunk Al Gores efforts to educate us with regard to human activity on climate change ...


Again you misquote me without reading the posted material. Have you no shame?

Feynman did not speak of global warming, at least not that I can find. What he did speak of was dishonesty in the scientific community, which I'm sure would appall him to see what is passed off as science in this day and age. You are obviously scientifically illiterate and therefore unqualified to speak on the subject. Educate yourself and maybe you'll have something of value to add to the conversation, in the mean time you're only displaying your foolishness for all to see by continuing to speak of that which you know nothing.

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Dec 16, 2013 13:01:47   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
riverlass wrote:
If you look at the history of the world, there are great changes over long periods of time. Climate change has always been a factor. It seems to me that MAN is the one thing that constantly tries to control nature because of his own fears and greed...and eventually, will go the way of the dinosaurs.
Yes, we need to take care not to pollute the environment for future generations, but this doomsday scenario is short sighted and, I suspect, money driven... and political.


Well said!

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