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Nov 17, 2013 01:58:21   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
"entry Level Professional" almost sounds like an oxymoron lol....almost.

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Nov 17, 2013 04:10:26   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
[quote=JJ Imagery]
I defy anyone to tell me they get a better photo from a Canon over a Nikon and vice versa... quote]

JJ, I'm sure you're right.
I've been to the Olympic games 8 times, and every time I look down into that infield, I see, row upon row, of white lenses.
I assume those guys are probably all pros. What I can't figure out, is what THEY, might know that I don't ?
JJ, what do you think? Maybe just a coincidence ?
SS

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Nov 17, 2013 04:30:44   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
[quote=SharpShooter]
JJ Imagery wrote:

I defy anyone to tell me they get a better photo from a Canon over a Nikon and vice versa... quote]

JJ, I'm sure you're right.
I've been to the Olympic games 8 times, and every time I look down into that infield, I see, row upon row, of white lenses.
I assume those guys are probably all pros. What I can't figure out, is what THEY, might know that I don't ?
JJ, what do you think? Maybe just a coincidence ?
SS


Canon is more likely to lend cameras and lenses to professionals while offering excellent service at those events than Nikon. I will take your question even further, I want a Leica fan to show me a picture I cannot do as well with a Nikon camera and a professional Nikon lens.

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Nov 17, 2013 06:21:42   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
[quote=SharpShooter]
JJ Imagery wrote:

I defy anyone to tell me they get a better photo from a Canon over a Nikon and vice versa... quote]

JJ, I'm sure you're right.
I've been to the Olympic games 8 times, and every time I look down into that infield, I see, row upon row, of white lenses.
I assume those guys are probably all pros. What I can't figure out, is what THEY, might know that I don't ?
JJ, what do you think? Maybe just a coincidence ?
SS


There was a time when Canon had the edge with long lenses. However Nikon is closing the gap and their bodies are better IMHO.

When you spend the kind of money these lenses demand there is a tenancy to stick with them.

White is a carry over from the Fluorolite (plastic) element era that had a temperature coefficient that made them sensitive to small temperature changes.

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Nov 17, 2013 07:21:51   #
Alashisan Loc: Arizona
 
magicray wrote:
Ha ha ha! Wow, thanks! I thought that 'P' stood for panoramic and 'A' stood for aerial.

:lol:


Yes, but only if you hold the Ctrl-Key when rotating the dial. :lol:

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Nov 17, 2013 08:31:58   #
FredB Loc: A little below the Mason-Dixon line.
 
Acd456 wrote:
I'm getting into professional photography, what is the best camera for the entry level professional. thanks.
Probably a black one.

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Nov 17, 2013 12:11:05   #
Mark L
 
camerapapi wrote:
Canon is more likely to lend cameras and lenses to professionals while offering excellent service at those events than Nikon. I will take your question even further, I want a Leica fan to show me a picture I cannot do as well with a Nikon camera and a professional Nikon lens.


Here's a couple taken with an M8. If I had used my big Nikon, the subjects would have noticed and/or heard me. Thirty seconds after my pictures of the gondoliers, another guy with a big Canon started taking pictures and they turned to him and started acting goofy. I hope that's what he was looking for, but I wasn't.
I took six frames of the couple in the park and they never knew I was there. The Leica is simply quieter and less obtrusive, so sometimes it does make a difference in the picture, or even getting the picture at all.





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Nov 17, 2013 14:17:15   #
Flipper2012 Loc: Alberta, Canada
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
I thought the P stood or picture and the A stood for Aw S---! :lol:


A--stands for amateur P-- stands for Photographer S--stands for shoot M-- stands for manual

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Nov 17, 2013 15:05:27   #
Alashisan Loc: Arizona
 
Flipper2012 wrote:
A--stands for amateur P-- stands for Photographer S--stands for shoot M-- stands for manual


Yeah! That's the ticket!

:thumbup:

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Nov 17, 2013 15:19:32   #
Alashisan Loc: Arizona
 
Mark L wrote:
Here's a couple taken with an M8. If I had used my big Nikon, the subjects would have noticed and/or heard me. Thirty seconds after my pictures of the gondoliers, another guy with a big Canon started taking pictures and they turned to him and started acting goofy. I hope that's what he was looking for, but I wasn't.
I took six frames of the couple in the park and they never knew I was there. The Leica is simply quieter and less obtrusive, so sometimes it does make a difference in the picture, or even getting the picture at all.
Here's a couple taken with an M8. If I had used my... (show quote)


Unobtrusive and 'invisible' is good. I get that also with my Fuji X100s, but even better, is my Sony RX100; it gets off 10 or 12 shots (as fast as I can push the release) in very rapid succession, and folks still think I'm just getting ready to shoot, even if they do see it. I think the new set of high quality mirrorless cameras (like your rangefinder) are a boon to our hobby and profession. What I like about the Fuji is that it has a viewfinder, as did the old Canon Powershots. The Sony is the last finderless machine I'll ever buy, even though I like the results. To me, it's a professional worthy compact with an amateur interface. Nevertheless, it doesn't intimidate or get noticed like my 1Ds2. Nice shots!

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Nov 17, 2013 15:33:27   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
camerapapi wrote:

Canon is more likely to lend cameras and lenses to professionals while offering excellent service.
I want a Leica fan to show me


Papi, Nikon actually gives equipment away. But when you have to get the shot, and you will loose your job because you can't produce, Nikon doesn't get many takers. Sure, you and I would be all over it. But we don't feed our families and build our retirements with what we shoot.

Also, your not actually taking about out shooting a Leica medium format with a FF Nikon are you?
If so, whatever you do, don't shoot, "pink slips".
SS

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Nov 17, 2013 15:55:14   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
[quote=joer]There was a time when Canon had the edge with long lenses. However Nikon is closing the gap and their bodies are better IMHO. []

Joer, you really don't know anything about Canon gear do you?
And, Joer, who cares about a cheap body that will be replaced in two years.
I'm not going to go into it, but Nikon just finally got VR Into their Big lenses to try to stop the bleeding and Canon comes out with the mkll's. And the bleeding actually got worse.
In the late eighties Nikon ruled the camera world. Then Canon did two things,1, they came out with EOS, and, 2, they introduced the T90 camera, though not EOS, it revolutionized the industry. Every year since, Nikon fan boys say, Nikon is closing the gap. Joel, that was 25 years ago!
Canons super-teles weigh 20% less, you can handhold a Canon 500. While the Nikon diehards(sponsored) are tethered to their tripods, the Canon guys are running around with their 500's getting the shots.
Joer, it's ok to have a Nikon, you don't have to make a living with it like those guys do.
Plus, I'm sure Nikon will catch up next year(just don't hold your breath)!
SS

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Nov 17, 2013 18:09:56   #
Mark L
 
Alashisan wrote:
Unobtrusive and 'invisible' is good. I get that also with my Fuji X100s, but even better, is my Sony RX100; it gets off 10 or 12 shots (as fast as I can push the release) in very rapid succession, and folks still think I'm just getting ready to shoot, even if they do see it. I think the new set of high quality mirrorless cameras (like your rangefinder) are a boon to our hobby and profession. What I like about the Fuji is that it has a viewfinder, as did the old Canon Powershots. The Sony is the last finderless machine I'll ever buy, even though I like the results. To me, it's a professional worthy compact with an amateur interface. Nevertheless, it doesn't intimidate or get noticed like my 1Ds2. Nice shots!
Unobtrusive and 'invisible' is good. I get that al... (show quote)


I'm very interested in the Fuji X100s, quieter and quicker than the Leica. They feel quite light to me. I've found that heavier cameras are easier to get sharp hand-held at slow speeds. Have you had any problems with the Fuji in low light?

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Nov 17, 2013 18:11:38   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Cheaper than a Leica too.... ;)

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Nov 17, 2013 18:15:11   #
Mark L
 
CHOLLY wrote:
Cheaper than a Leica too.... ;)


You got that right. I'm thinking of selling a Leica lens and getting a Fuji - or two.

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