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Oct 20, 2013 12:00:58   #
jenny Loc: in hiding:)
 
Sorry,Nightski, you were getting close to giving this hapless enthusiastic Op some sensible advice to gather ISO,aper.and s-speed in one sensible package. All he/she needed to know was to set ISO at 100, set the camera in aper. priority with a small aperture to have everything reasonably in focus,and that would have provided the right shutter speed.
There are many little refinements to this approach which are impossible at this stage for the Op who can't find the meter,and a few settings that would maybe be equally hard to find or use when not knowing the camera.

This might include +/- exposure compensation,or spot metering the brightest whites and compensating for that. There are contrast settings on anything but a P&S,and last of all,if the white areas were saved from being blown they could have been saved, and a little PP would bring up the shadows...no fancy PP program needed since if running Windows these basics are readily available.
The Op has no doubt escaped from another disastrous thread, but maybe will be back or find reliable info where it is not clouded by anyone with pppp (poster's petty personal problems).
Glad you came back without tumbling off a cliff or drowning in ice water,please be careful...no picture in this world is worth losing one's life for it....

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Oct 20, 2013 18:40:56   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
jenny wrote:
6 pages and no one has noticed the Op doesn't know a thing about a camera but is trying to use manual settings, which would necessitate having some idea of a workable ISO related to shutter speed and a depth of field that would render a landscape in reasonable focus No one has even asked WHY this person is trying to shoot in manual mode.The whole foreground is out of focus because of the aperture he/she has set.
Eventually another "twiddler" enters the thread advising shooting manual mode (!) because the choices there are either automatic or twiddling.
Then we have the insanity of someone coming on to attack a member who had absolutely nothing to do with this thread at all because in his sick mind this uninvolved member somehow
"resembles" another member.
As for newbies discovering manual mode,(which has its purpose for some but not all things),this is a stage of growth newbies go through,resembling children who won't listen to reason. The sooner they get over it the better!
Even Nat'l Geo. photographers use aper. or shutter priority sometimes.

Since the Op's time seems so limited, it would be wise to spend a good part of it reading the darned manual and absorbing the information. Then, when still having questions to ask,the first one would be why go to UH!!
6 pages and no one has noticed the Op doesn't know... (show quote)


i knew that on the first couple pages. what we need is a site for people that dont know a thing about the workings of a digital camera,with all the basic stuff to the advanced . a site called teach me. or what ever.

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Oct 20, 2013 23:43:33   #
jenny Loc: in hiding:)
 
Sounds like the most positive idea I've seen on UH in ages
Bram boy. In your past year on the forum I am sure you have seen all too much of what happened here. For me it has been 2 years in which a number of very competent sincere people have tried to do tutorials etc.but have left for obvious reasons.

I come back to the site to find a somewhat cryptic 8-word private message from one of the participants of this thread,but it doesn't seem to offer a positive idea. While we need this feature for transactions and other legitimate uses, I disapprove thoroughly of the sort of traffic I have seen going on behind the scenes. The purpose of a forum of course is open discussion. If something is to be said it should be done right here.

While your idea sounds so wonderful and I want to believe in this enthusiastic approach,could it succeed in the negative atmosphere all too prevalent here? Unfortunately the blind lead the blind, the loudmouths drip their ego,the inattentive can't follow a thread,and admin. doesn't seem interested in leading.(?)

We have an extensive search feature for the forum but I admit it isn't exactly what you have in mind. To modify that idea,however,do you think there could be that special section explaining the basics for total newbies,a tutorial with solid information,no foolish input allowed as on a thread,let the newbie take it or leave it? If so,you might be able to promote that idea and get some support for it,then submit it to admin. ?? ?? ??
Thank you for bringing such a positive idea to the forum!

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Oct 21, 2013 00:27:56   #
Histogram
 
hi country. i think you nailed it. the iso on the first photo is too high. yes, a lower iso means lower noise. take your iso off auto, and you'll be golden. love the bridge.

country wrote:
took these two photos, but changed settings... one is ok, the other not so.. im trying to learn to use manual more, although I did leave iso on auto.. the one that is not so sharp and has noise( I think), is that because the iso is much higher ?.. is it better to have iso as low as possible ?.. the only change I made was shutter speed, which changed iso.. any advice will be appreciated as I am still a work in progress... thanks...

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Oct 21, 2013 00:47:50   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
Why reinvent the wheel?
Here is a link to a site that I have frequently recommended to newcomers to this site.
http://digital-photography-school.com/

Looks like they have recently revamped the site.
I hope it is still as good as it always was.

Bram boy wrote:
i knew that on the first couple pages. what we need is a site for people that dont know a thing about the workings of a digital camera,with all the basic stuff to the advanced . a site called teach me. or what ever.

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Oct 21, 2013 01:07:11   #
Histogram
 
great site lighthouse. thank you.

lighthouse wrote:
Why reinvent the wheel?
Here is a link to a site that I have frequently recommended to newcomers to this site.
http://digital-photography-school.com/

Looks like they have recently revamped the site.
I hope it is still as good as it always was.

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Oct 21, 2013 02:02:58   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
jenny wrote:
Sounds like the most positive idea I've seen on UH in ages
Bram boy. In your past year on the forum I am sure you have seen all too much of what happened here. For me it has been 2 years in which a number of very competent sincere people have tried to do tutorials etc.but have left for obvious reasons.

I come back to the site to find a somewhat cryptic 8-word private message from one of the participants of this thread,but it doesn't seem to offer a positive idea. While we need this feature for transactions and other legitimate uses, I disapprove thoroughly of the sort of traffic I have seen going on behind the scenes. The purpose of a forum of course is open discussion. If something is to be said it should be done right her

While your idea sounds so wonderful and I want to believe in this enthusiastic approach,could it succeed in the negative atmosphere all too prevalent here? Unfortunately the blind lead the blind, the loudmouths drip their ego,the inattentive can't follow a thread,and admin. doesn't seem interested in leading.(?)

We have an extensive search feature for the forum but I admit it isn't exactly what you have in mind. To modify that idea,however,do you think there could be that special section explaining the basics for total newbies,a tutorial with solid information,no foolish input allowed as on a thread,let the newbie take it
or leave it? If so,you might be able to promote that idea and get some
support for it,then submit it to admin. ?? ?? ??
Thank you for bringing such a positive idea to the forum!
Sounds like the most positive idea I've seen on UH... (show quote)


Jen. i got no idea how it could be controlled , it would be a banter site like all the rest where people just come to visit . and talk about what they got and what there going to get , it would have to be just a question and answer site. the question comes up with a number the answer comes back in with that same number . the one who asked that question gets back on types that number . and all the answer,s pop up that have been sent in . there will be no yanking back and forth . maybe a number to get hold of some body on a private thing like thay already . it all begins with a idea then gets tossed around to explore all the ways it will work or won't work .

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Oct 21, 2013 09:49:09   #
Histogram
 
speaking of banter... why don't you an jenny create a new topic or better discuss your ideas using the pm feature? i don't think country is getting much from this. just sayin.

Bram boy wrote:
Jen. i got no idea how it could be controlled , it would be a banter site like all the rest where people just come to visit . and talk about what they got and what there going to get , it would have to be just a question and answer site. the question comes up with a number the answer comes back in with that same number . the one who asked that question gets back on types that number . and all the answer,s pop up that have been sent in . there will be no yanking back and forth . maybe a number to get hold of some body on a private thing like thay already . it all begins with a idea then gets tossed around to explore all the ways it will work or won't work .
Jen. i got no idea how it could be controlled , it... (show quote)

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Oct 21, 2013 17:35:50   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
LOL, I'll go along with that!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Histogram wrote:
speaking of banter... why don't you an jenny create a new topic or better discuss your ideas using the pm feature? i don't think country is getting much from this. just sayin.

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Oct 22, 2013 00:36:35   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
lighthouse wrote:
LOL, I'll go along with that!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Oct 30, 2013 02:28:28   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
Pentony wrote:
You don't state your ISO settings nor your aperture and shutter speed settings which may make our responses somewhat of a guess. Also stating your camera name and model and lens used may have further helped in our critiquing your photos.

ISO was high? Why? This is a daylight shot. ISO of 100 or 200 should have been more than sufficient.

As for shutter speed controlling ISO? Maybe in shutter priority mode but not in manual mode.

As for ISO, in almost all photographic situations it is best to use the lowest possible ISO to minimize noise (grain). Sometimes this can not be done mainly because of the lack of lighting.

Go back to your camera's manual and consider purchasing Bryan Peterson's "Understanding Exposure." It cost about $26.00 and is carried by most book sellers and can be ordered on line. It's well worth owning.

That book will further expand your knowledge of the photographic triangle; aperture, shutter speed and ISO.

I've been photographing well over forty years, sometimes getting paid handsomely and I still make some mistakes.

I've owned "Understanding Photography" for a little over two years and wish I had had it a long time ago. Although I've accumulated several photographic books throughout the decades, this one so far is my best go to book.

Several other UHH-ers also recommend this book.

One of the things which digital photography does is spoils us. We can take many, many pictures just to get that one good photo.

Where as in film days we learned how to get the best shot while taking one, two or three photos so as not wasting film. So we learned, we studied, we talked to others and we read. Now most of us film guys who are doing digital don't need to take many shots just to get that one best photo.

However you have an advantage. Get that book and keep taking pictures. By the way, nice shots.
You don't state your ISO settings nor your apertur... (show quote)


You can google and download a program called "EXIF Viewer" which will give you EXIF data if you drag a JPEG photo into it. It works if there is any EXIF data remaining in the file.

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Oct 30, 2013 03:01:09   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
Wendy2 wrote:
I think what you are seeing is blown out highlights, not noise. They are both over exposed, but the 2nd one more so. The 2nd one was a higher ISO, right?


No, what he's seeing is both blown out highlights AND noise. This is noise:



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Oct 30, 2013 03:19:56   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
I have waded through this whole thread and come to the conclusion that I have reached many times before. In photography, simple questions aren't. Well no, that's not quite right. The answers to simple questions are seldom simple. Often the asker needs a certain base of knowledge to understand the answers to seemingly simple questions. Sometimes the kindest thing is to direct the OP to some basic education sites where he/she can learn the basics of exposure and the vocabulary of photography. When giving advice we should endeavour to consider the knowledge base or our audience. For example (and no fault intended) in the discussion of apertures and f-stops the term one 'one stop above f1.4 is f2' was used, or one stop larger than f11 is f8. The beginner will start looking for those numbers and become confused when he looks at the LCD on his camera as he spins the dial and sees f4, f4.5, f5, f5.6, f 6.3, f7.1, f8, f9, f10, f11, f13, f14, f16, f18, f20, and f22. He may think, based on the explanations given here that f4.5 will let in half as much light as f4. Most newbies have no history of the original f-stops that us former film shooters cut our teeth on. It can be a real challenge to answer a question in a helpful way without confusing the issue with too much information.

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Oct 30, 2013 04:22:57   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
any one who does not understand fractions may have a little trouble . but a fraction is a part of a whole . that whole being the hole that let's light to the sensor or film. I been at this longer than JFK was shot . and you don't need to know any of that . only a couple things to know . why you would change it , how it effects depth , how it correlates to shutter speed . and which way to turn the knob . oh there is no knob . well I guess your SOL . you will have to know which side of the button to push for a bigger hole or a smaller hole

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Oct 30, 2013 04:25:06   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
Bram boy wrote:
any one who does not understand fractions may have a little trouble . but a fraction is a part of a whole . that whole being the hole that let's light to the sensor or film. I been at this longer than JFK was shot . and you don't need to know any of that . only a couple things to know . why you would change it , how it effects depth , how it correlates to shutter speed . and which way to turn the knob . oh there is no knob . well I guess your SOL . you will have to know which side of the button to push for a bigger hole or a smaller hole
any one who does not understand fractions may have... (show quote)


than when JFK was shot by one of his security men

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