Another instance of questionable police action (Page 3): Your statement is about what the police should be doing at a DUI checkpoint. In fact, they generally use it to troll of all...

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Audwulf wrote:

Didn't you get the drift of what a DUI check point is all about ? The cops are trying to get drunk drivers off of the road, not play stupid word games with a jackass.

Your statement is about what the police should be doing at a DUI checkpoint. In fact, they generally use it to troll of all sorts of other offenses. It gives them the opportunity to look into cars without cause, and to have dogs sniff around them without cause [Illinois v. Caballes, 543 U.S. 405 (2005)]. Demanding one's rights constitutes stupid word games only to someone who has no respect for the Constitution.

Audwulf Loc: Golden State

I say again. Driving is a privilege you must earn. It is not a right. The courts have already formed the opinion that DUI check points are legal. If you hinder a police officer in the performance of his legal duties, you are in violation of the law. Being a smart ass is never a good way to to make things go easier. The Jews were not trying to be smart ass to the Nazi's, they were victims of an oppressive regime. Don't compare apples to oranges.

Croce wrote:

You forget my dear Audwulf, that when you willingly abrogate your own rights, you grant license to a would be Gestapo. Ask any European Jew circa 1940. If you will not assert your rights don't expect anyone else to defend them for it that is the case, you are not worthy.

Croce Loc: Earth

Audwulf wrote:

I say again. Driving is a privilege you must earn. It is not a right. The courts have already formed the opinion that DUI check points are legal. If you hinder a police officer in the performance of his legal duties, you are in violation of the law. Being a smart ass is never a good way to to make things go easier. The Jews were not trying to be smart ass to the Nazi's, they were victims of an oppressive regime. Don't compare apples to oranges.

The specific gravity of the fluid surrounding your brain is apparently denser than normal. Why can you see only a driving issue here and ignore the far greater import of the constitutional issue. Perhaps the flies you use to bait those fish have infected you with a brain eating parasite?

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Audwulf wrote:

I say again. Driving is a privilege you must earn. It is not a right.

Fair enough...but what does that have to do with this video? did the kid do something that was grounds for removing his privilege of driving? Did he break the law? Hit an old lady?

No...you just thought he was a punk. Good thing that doesn't mean anything in the real world.

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The courts have already formed the opinion that DUI check points are legal. If you hinder a police officer in the performance of his legal duties, you are in violation of the law.

I keep waiting for someone to find where the kid broke the law, where he hindered the policemen in the performance of his duties....

Evidently not even the police thought that he did...all they said was that he knew his rights.

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Being a smart ass is never a good way to to make things go easier.

I guess one man's "smart-a$$" is another mans "polite kid who didn't let a thug cop intimidate him into giving up his rights as an american citizen."

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The Jews were not trying to be smart ass to the Nazi's, they were victims of an oppressive regime. Don't compare apples to oranges.

I guess I'm still trying to figure out how being a "smart-a$$" has anything to do with anything?

Did being a jerk become a criminal act when I wasn't looking?

if that's the case..half of the 'hog regulars are fugitives from justice! :)

Croce Loc: Earth

Audwulf wrote:

I say again. Driving is a privilege you must earn. It is not a right. The courts have already formed the opinion that DUI check points are legal. If you hinder a police officer in the performance of his legal duties, you are in violation of the law. Being a smart ass is never a good way to to make things go easier. The Jews were not trying to be smart ass to the Nazi's, they were victims of an oppressive regime. Don't compare apples to oranges.

And ... What punishment would deem proper for being a smartass? Death or would you go light? Say, 15 years and a daily clubbing?

retlaw Loc: Northern New Jersey

Audwulf wrote:

I say again. Driving is a privilege you must earn. It is not a right. The courts have already formed the opinion that DUI check points are legal. If you hinder a police officer in the performance of his legal duties, you are in violation of the law. Being a smart ass is never a good way to to make things go easier. The Jews were not trying to be smart ass to the Nazi's, they were victims of an oppressive regime. Don't compare apples to oranges.

Give it up Audwulf -- the cop was wrong!! The check point may have been legal, but violating Constitutional rights is not.

Country's Mama Loc: Michigan

Where was this kid ever being a smart Ass? He was always polite, he asked questions that never got answered. Maybe he didn't roll his window all the way down because it was broken or once down won't go back up. He does't owe them a reason why he doesn't want to roll his window down. He complied with cops when they asked him to pull to the side of the road. He complied when they asked him to get out of the car. At no time did he give them a smart aleck response. He asked lawful questions that should have been answered. If this were an older person asking the same questions would you be calling him/her a smart Ass?

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

PNagy wrote:

I was appalled by the behavior of the police, but if anyone has paid into a pension fund, what is the justification of depriving him of its benefits? Life, liberty, and property may be taken only through due process of law (Fifth Amendment).

I wasn't advocating it being done without due process. Any funds they paid in personally would obviously be theirs but matching funds paid from taxpayer's money ( the ones being abused) would not be paid to them. The consequences of violations of citizen's rights with the implied threat of force is not to be taken lightly. They must be held to a very high standard.

One of the cops in this video, as they were illegally rifling through the car's interior, even stated the kid knew his constitutional rights which is an indictment on their very actions as they knew they were violating the constitutional rights of the illegally detained citizen. I have no sympathy for brown shirt goons with or without badges.

TedPaul Loc: Madison, MS

PNagy wrote:

Your statement is about what the police should be doing at a DUI checkpoint. In fact, they generally use it to troll of all sorts of other offenses. It gives them the opportunity to look into cars without cause, and to have dogs sniff around them without cause [Illinois v. Caballes, 543 U.S. 405 (2005)]. Demanding one's rights constitutes stupid word games only to someone who has no respect for the Constitution.

TedPaul Loc: Madison, MS

Upon reading about the dogs brought in during the stop is unconstitutional. I then read the case Cited by Nagy. . The purpose of the original invasion of privacy is to seek drunk drivers. It does not give the police the right to make an all out search for improper activity.. I did some prosecution. Found many officers will SAY that which is felt will make the arrest and conviction---what ever as n to constitutional rights. Have had a few officers that I admired.

Croce Loc: Earth

TedPaul wrote:

Upon reading about the dogs brought in during the stop is unconstitutional. I then read the case Cited by Nagy. . The purpose of the original invasion of privacy is to seek drunk drivers. It does not give the police the right to make an all out search for improper activity.. I did some prosecution. Found many officers will SAY that which is felt will make the arrest and conviction---what ever as n to constitutional rights. Have had a few officers that I admired.

Ted, I have had a few lawyers and prosecutors that I have admired also. Now then Mr. Prosecutor please read your post again and rewrite it, this time with proper spelling and punctuation and then edit it carefully before pushing the button. Perhaps then I will be able to understand just what the hell it is that you were attempting to say. Your first and last sentence are incomprehensible as written in quoted post.

TedPaul Loc: Madison, MS

delete whatever as to constitutional rights. as to the first sentence--you did not read Cabella. It would clear up how the dog got in.

SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina

Here's a very recent encounter that occurred near Miami:

http://www.copblock.org/35448/stopped-by-road-pirate-in-fl-davy-vara-remains-cool/

Nothing happened, but it shows a possible attitude problem.

leonardb Loc: Montgomery,AL

I will have to agree most police are nothing more but bastards with a badge,I had brother face the bad guys I know how too handle them, and they do not have police power.

Bruce M. Loc: Longueuil, Quebec, CANADA

Whoa! Whoa! Hold your horses everybody. This was a set up for sure, but it was done well. No abuse was shown to the officers. They did not see the camera until late in the clip, so.... They do have a job to do, we authorize and pay for that job. They must, however, play by the rules, if they in fact know them. Here they blatantly ignored them. The driver was polite and obedient, with some prodding by the sheriff or deputy, whatever. We don't have these rights or liberties here in Canada, we MUST comply with the officer's word. You need to protect these rights or you will become more of a Police State than you are now. This is a good way of doing it peacefully, and publicly. Good on ya' mate!