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Jul 1, 2013 15:54:40   #
ocbeyer
 
Fishinman wrote:
FOREIGN AID:
Where your government takes money from those with a little, and gives it to people with a lot.


Funny, I thought that was the definition of corporate subsidies. Or bank bail outs.
 
Jul 1, 2013 16:01:29   #
TrainNut
 
ocbeyer wrote:
Funny, I thought that was the definition of corporate subsidies. Or bank bail outs.


Same thing.
Almost like Robin Hood, Take from the poor and give to the rich.
Don't forgot to appease the poor with "things"
Jul 1, 2013 16:52:31   #
Wolf-pack all the way
 
Just a reminder we have him until January 20 2017 than I know I will have a very big smile on my face, hope the masses will have a big big smile also, as this idiot will board a plane with his family and fly out of Washington. At his point lets hope we find a leader who will be able to understand that we the people of this great country will come first.
Jul 1, 2013 17:55:15   #
Danilo
 
ole sarg wrote:
Danilo, I am surprised. The president has presented many initiatives to help the folks in this country. Unfortunately, the GOP Congress has not passed them. For instance this is the first congress to not pass an infrastructure bill!


Here's a novel idea, ole sarg:

Before passing infrastucture bills, one would hunt around for the money to back it up. Finding none, the wise person would not pass the bill.

I've recently developed a very useful skill: If I want something very badly, but cannot afford it, I'm able to "quit wanting" it. When I was younger, I was not able to do this.
Jul 1, 2013 18:28:57   #
TrainNut
 
Danilo wrote:
Here's a novel idea, ole sarg:

Before passing infrastucture bills, one would hunt around for the money to back it up. Finding none, the wise person would not pass the bill.

I've recently developed a very useful skill: If I want something very badly, but cannot afford it, I'm able to "quit wanting" it. When I was younger, I was not able to do this.


:thumbup:
Danilo you have grown like I have. As we get older we get smarter. Too bad some people do not grow. :-(
Jul 1, 2013 20:07:46   #
PNagy
 
pounder35 wrote:
The White House says Obama’s electricity initiative, dubbed “Power Africa,” symbolizes the type of cross-continent ventures the president seeks. Backed by $7 billion in U.S. investment, the power program will focus on expanding access to electricity in six African countries: Ethiopia, Ghana, Kenya, Liberia, Nigeria and Tanzania.

Be sure their citizens are given Absentee Voting forms so they can help elect another Dim-ocrat in the next Presidential election.




At least a sort of African REA is an altruistic cause. We give close to twice that much every year to Israel for the purpose of murdering Palestinians and stealing their land.
 
Jul 1, 2013 20:09:07   #
PNagy
 
ocbeyer wrote:
Things are never really this simple. Much of this initiative is designed to help American energy companies establish new markets overseas. You might call it a jobs initiative. Or a corporate subsidy. And it makes sense to help improve areas that are prone to instability and violence as our enemies try to enlist others to their causes. Spend it now, or spend much more later via the Pentagon.

http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2013/06/20130630277882.html




Right: In any foreign aid the aid itself is secondary. The major purpose is to enrich the corporations that contract to deliver the aid.
Jul 1, 2013 20:25:55   #
PNagy
 
ole sarg wrote:
Perhaps you should read the Constitution. It really is a small document (with index 45 pages long) and it will take the average person about 30 minutes to read and understand. It is written in very clear language.

As you become enlightened notice the 16th Amendment. It will prove very enlightening.

Who knows your knowledge of the laws of the land could even become broadened!



I have read and heard arguments about federal income tax collection being unconstitutional, but as one of your critics pointed out, the 16th Amendment provides for federally collected income taxes. Of course, if the enumerated powers had listed income tax collection, no one would have needed an amendment to accomplish this. Article One of the main text of the Constitution actually provides for levying taxes. Because income taxes are a subset of taxes, it can legally be argued that no amendment was necessary for Congress to levy and collect income taxes. Sometimes amendments are added to the Constitution as a matter of legislative overkill. A number of amendments could have been avoided if the government properly enforced the equal protection clause of the 14th. Amendment. The argument about the 16th Amendment is that it was never properly ratified. The Supreme Court has twice ruled that it indeed has been.
Jul 1, 2013 20:28:09   #
PNagy
 
Twardlow wrote:
This is a wildly rasicist and uninformed post. No offense to the sarge, but this post shows little knowledge of Africa.

If we are going to give money to other governments, this project is better than most.




It6 certainly is better than the far greater dole to Israel for the purpose suppressing, dispossessing, and murdering Palestinians.
Jul 1, 2013 20:42:08   #
PNagy
 
ted45 wrote:
You libs always seem to ignore one simple fact when speaking about Reagan: He was a life long Democrat. According to his biography he only became a Republican because he wanted Nancy and her family would not accept a Democrat into the fold. His programs and beliefs were all based on a long history of Democratic ideology. Of course, the Democratic Party that spawned JFK and Reagan actually worked for the good of the common man, unlike todays bunch.

It is more than ironic that the Conservatives want credit for his good programs and the Dems disparage everything he did.
You libs always seem to ignore one simple fact whe... (show quote)



Reagan had more reason to be aRepublican than to appease Nancy. He always understood the authoritarian point of view more than that of the ordinary man. Even as president of the Screen Actor's Guild he cooperated with the McCarthy purges, instead of shielding actors from the witch hunts. By the time he won the presidency Reagan had no traces of Democratic spirit flowing through his veins. He was a quintessentially big government, big spending Republican, who spewed anti-government rhetoric, even as he pushed the government to record breaking spending sprees, while reducing taxes on the plutocracy, showering billions on big corporations, deregulating everything he could, excusing corporate rape of the environment, and busting unions for them. democrats then and now, while actually supporting much of the above, have not told the victims that the oppression was actually good for them.
Jul 1, 2013 20:45:57   #
PNagy
 
ocbeyer wrote:
Actually this "lib" has always been aware of this, back from the days in which I was hoping he would run for president and win. Reagan was a union man and socially minded but like many Democrats at that time he was an ardent anti-communist (and for good reason).

Thing is, I've always been a Republican and a conservative. But the Republican party has lost track of its roots and now the mainstream looks more like the old John Bircher extreme wing. Obama is no more a lefty or a socialist than Reagan, Nixon or either of the two Bushes were. I don't even think GWB could win a primary today.
Actually this "lib" has always been awar... (show quote)



Don't worry about it: Ted45 is not the only rightist on this site who delights in imputing without reason ignorance to all "libs." One of them, in the height of his folly and madness, wrote a short dissertation refuting something I had never said. Of course he really rubbed it in as much as possible about my ignorance, and what a "poor fellow" I was. He went through all that in the pretense of my having said that Republicans have always been a rightist party, even though I never said that. He tried to give me a history lesson, too, which clearly demonstrated that the extent of his historical knowledge is what he has just read on the internet. So much for us libs.
 
Jul 1, 2013 20:48:20   #
PNagy
 
TrainNut wrote:
Same thing.
Almost like Robin Hood, Take from the poor and give to the rich.
Don't forgot to appease the poor with "things"



Oh, my goodness: Nut is having a massive moment of lucidity! Perhaps he is about to undergo an ideological change the scope of George Foreman's transformation from street thug to everyone's kindly grandfather.
Jul 1, 2013 20:53:06   #
pounder35 (a regular here)
 
PNagy wrote:
It6 certainly is better than the far greater dole to Israel for the purpose suppressing, dispossessing, and murdering Palestinians.


For the record PNagy are you:

A: For allowing the destruction of Israel.

B: Dropping all support for Israel but continuing to arm their enemies.

C: Working towards the establishing of a Palestinian state along side of Israel.

If "C" and the violence continues should we provide foreign aid to both so they can purchase an equal number of weapons or just give them an equal number of high tech weapons as well as Egypt and whoever ends up controlling Syria? Why not keep packing powder into all the barrels until it all explodes and nothing is left?
Jul 1, 2013 21:16:01   #
magicray
 
FrumCA wrote:
I almost got sucked into this discussion but based on some comments in a similar post, I did some checking. The $$ are coming from two sources: the Import-Export Bank and the U.S. Overseas Private Investment Corporation. I didn't vote for BHO and I don't drink much of the administration's Kool-aid (maybe a sip or two now and then), but it looks like this may be a worthwhile investment initiative that is not going to cost the American taxpayer anything.

On June 30th, President Obama announced Power Africa, an initiative that will double access to power in Africa through partnerships between OPIC, U.S. Agency for International Development, Export-Import Bank, Millennium Challenge Corporation, U.S. Trade and Development Agency U.S. African Development Foundation (USADF) and the private sector.
Jul 1, 2013 23:41:14   #
ted45
 
PNagy wrote:
Don't worry about it: Ted45 is not the only rightist on this site who delights in imputing without reason ignorance to all "libs." One of them, in the height of his folly and madness, wrote a short dissertation refuting something I had never said. Of course he really rubbed it in as much as possible about my ignorance, and what a "poor fellow" I was. He went through all that in the pretense of my having said that Republicans have always been a rightist party, even though I never said that. He tried to give me a history lesson, too, which clearly demonstrated that the extent of his historical knowledge is what he has just read on the internet. So much for us libs.
Don't worry about it: Ted45 is not the only righti... (show quote)


Wow you really have lost your mind this time. I disagree with you on numerous occasions and sometimes I agree with you. However, none of what you just wrote is even close to the truth.

You tend to over estimate your intelligence and try to bluster your way through most discussions. My understanding of history comes from having lived through it.
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