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May 18, 2024 23:02:41   #
spaceytracey wrote:
Have ordered a new printer. Any opinions on the Canon Image Prograf Pro 300?


Hopefully, that solves all your issues - I’m sure there wouldn’t be drivers for the 9000 mkII much longer anyway - I’m using win 10 drivers on a Win 11 platform as it is.
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May 18, 2024 22:57:44   #
Mr. SONY wrote:
Yes, on-proposes.

Sorry about the spelling.
I label those so-called accidents on-proposes because the ship owners know their ships have maintenance issues
which they ignore. That container ship the knocked the bridge had out of control issue overseas.
These ships are so big and are so hard to control when things go wrong they need help, Right Now!!!
They can't wait for a tug to help.
By that time it's to late.
If they were required to be hooked up to enough tugs to safely control the ship if and when they lose power, control.
How many more people have to die because the industry could care less about killing anyone.
They knock down vehicle bridge, train bridges, load dock cranes.
People get hurt, people die.
The shipping industry will never do anything about this problem until the Feds force them.
Yes, on-proposes. br br Sorry about the spelling.... (show quote)

I believe the previous incident involving the Dali was found to be an error on the part of the pilot or the master, not a mechanical issue, but I agree that if there’s sufficient clearance, perhaps being accompanied by tugs further might be good “insurance”.
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May 18, 2024 21:30:44   #
Mr. SONY wrote:
Bottom line.
The feds need to mandate all container ships, barges, have to be escorted by multiple tugs.
The shipping industry can't be relied upon to keep their equipment in tip-top shape.
These on-proposes need to be stopped.


“on-proposes”?
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May 18, 2024 16:49:51   #
spaceytracey wrote:
So, the 2nd ones, A&E are NVME SSD?


Yes (and M)
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May 18, 2024 16:42:14   #
dustie wrote:
Even in perfect laboratory conditions, that amount of time certainly will not be measured in mere seconds.

The engine has to be at a dead stop,
•• the generators and electrical switching gear must be operating in the proper configuration
•• it has to be verified if the cam followers in the fuel delivery system are in position for forward rotation or astern rotation, depending which direction the propeller is supposed to rotate
•• the charging/starting air has to be introduced to the correct cylinder nearest top dead center, to begin the rotation of the crankshaft in the correct direction, depending if forward rotation or astern rotation is intended
•• there are plenty of things to verify as to fuel delivery pumps, cooling system pumps, exhaust damper positions, valves for fuel flow, oil flow, water flow......there is just a lot more to do than slipping a shift lever into park or neutral and turning the ignition key on the steering column or pressing the start button on a keyless start

In the case of Dali, it is new enough that for its engine system, some things such as changing the position setting of the cam followers is done by changing the position of an electrical switch, rather than the method of older models of that engine where the cam followers had to be manually swiched by crew member(s), so the amount of time is cut somewhat by newer, more modern systems.
But still, those Dali crew members were not in that proverbial perfect laboratory setting. They were in the dark (or maybe battery emergency minimal lighting and/or handheld lighting units), in a possibly somewhat controlled panic mode, with maybe reduced communications abilities if each member does not normally wear a two-way radio at all times.....

You know, they were in a situation where seconds were of the essence, helplessly drifting at the push of forces completely beyond their control, headed for a manmade structure not ever designed to withstand a love tap from their out-of-control island, working in conditions far less desirable than clear eyesight in broad daylight....
....they were in a spot where even well-trained and experienced operators are going to be functioning in less than flawless top form, because the central nervous system of the human body is going to be impacted by the compounding pressures cascading in on it.
Even in perfect laboratory conditions, that amount... (show quote)

Exactly. I’ve been reading up on the start up sequence of large marine diesels, and it’s a major undertaking, and without the main, nothing could have stopped the collision except maybe a tug, which was too far away.
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May 18, 2024 13:14:54   #
spaceytracey wrote:
Will have to look into which is which. Thanks.

pay attention to the number of slots and the number of pins next to each slot to identify whether the SSD is a SATA (B and B+M keys) or NVME SSD (MUCH faster).


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May 18, 2024 13:02:46   #
spaceytracey wrote:
Well, I uninstalled the printer then tried to re-install & am having problems w/the computer not recognizing the printer. Have tried connecting to different ports & still it is not recognized. Have disconnected the cord from the printer itself, no luck. Could the cord be bad? Am ready to just buy a new printer. Very frustrating.


Try connecting it via WI FI
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May 18, 2024 10:23:51   #
dustie wrote:
Completely agree there needs to be separation of the event with the mistakenly closed exhaust damper, which ultimately lead to a power loss, from the unexpected power loss while en route after having departed the dock.....unless, further investigation reveals the exhaust damper was not properly reset after the incident at the dock, and did not remain in the properly open position when underway.
IF that did occur, it would affect the ability to restart and operate the power units of the vessel, if it was not found and corrected right away. Ok, that may be a stretch, possibly, but maybe worth considering if no failures within the electrical circuitry can be identified.

The very basic, simplified electrical diagram does not do justice to showing the real complexities of the various inter-related circuits and many, many thousands of yards of wiring in that vessel. There are a lot of places for physical faults and a lot of sensors and intermediate circuits which because of shorting, overloading, or conditions outside the design parameters, may lead to shut down of the system to prevent serious damage to components in the overall system.
The unexpected electrical problem while in route, may not necessarily even have to be within the main circuits for the generators and main propulsion engine. There may be possibilities a problem developed in external circuits related to power for the refrigerated containers, for example, that was unknown/undetected before leaving the dock, which was great enough to lead to auto-disconnect of the systems closer to the supply end.

Sure, it's possible there was a problem in the transformer which had been unused for several months, but that puts a question in my mind as to why it apparently operated ok for 10-12 hours after being put on line at the earlier incident at the dock. If there was a major issue with it, seems it may not have handled the load for that 10-12 hours without some kind of indication of trouble, if it was not performing properly.
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There are so many potential contributing factors to the course change, and for some of those, it may not be possible to replicate the exact combination of conditions at the time of straying off course. Yes, there is a record of sensors and rudder position and generators and speed and ship location, etc, .....ship data information.... in the data recordings, which may prove helpful to some extent.

However, I cannot help but think of the outside forces, not on those data recorders, and how the exact combination of them has an influence on that vessel adrift.

By the Baltimore harbor navigation chart, it looks as though the Dali was probably right at the confluence of the Fort McHenry Channel, in which it was travelling, and the Curtis Bay Channel which joins the Fort McHenry right there at about 0.6 mile upstream of the Key Bridge.
What exactly was in force below the surface of the water there where the channels join and currents mix and varying depths are in fairly close proximity in relatively narrow channelways with tidal eddies and currents and possible rip currents adding to the mix?.....there is just a lot of variable force at work there, working in tandem with or opposition to the surface factors of surface currents of both water and air movement.
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The preliminary report states only a three degree change in heading of the vessel. To some, I suppose that doesn't seem like much, but I'm sure you are aware three degrees of rotation on an arm about 980 feet long is not an insignificant distance, especially in a channel with limited space for maneuvering.
Here's what I would still love to know, and maybe in the murky water there, and with the passage of weeks and twice-daily tide changes it will never be possible to determine.....did the Dali ever make contact with the bottom along the side of the main dredged channel, or an unknown shoal or sand bar at the bottom of the dredged channel, back there where the Fort McHenry and Curtis Bay channels meet?
The Baltimore Harbor navigation chart shows the dredged depth of those channels is supposed to be 50', about 10' more than the reported draft of the Dali when it departed the dock. But also, the navigation chart shows the surveyed depth rises to around 31' - 33' right along the side of that dredged channel, about 7' - 9' less than the reported draft of Dali when it left the dock.
Unsurprisingly, there is a notation on the chart that it is not possible to know the exact shape and boundary of those dredged channels at all times, because too many changes can be constant due to tidal influences and silting and erosion of the sides of the dredge works.
Then, all this leads me up to the continuation of my wondering.... at what point did the Dali actually begin going aground in the vicinity of the bridge pillars? The navigation chart shows surveyed depths of around 28' - 31' toward the outer edge of those pillars, with an unspecified wavy line toward their inner edge, indicating that uncertain transition of depth along the edge of the dredged channel.

From the preliminary report, it appears that the momentum of that mass had slowed from about 8.5 mph to about 6.5 mph by the time it made contact with the bridge pillar. I think I may forever remain curious how much of that reduction in movement is due to the Dali already being in contact with the bottom, maybe even the greater part of a minute before contact was made with the bridge support.
Completely agree there needs to be separation of t... (show quote)


Well said. I’m also wondering how long it takes to restart a 55,000 HP diesel even if power had been restored within minutes.
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May 17, 2024 16:38:03   #
jerryc41 wrote:
It will be interesting to see what's in the final NTSB report.


Indeed, such as why did the breakers blow (twice).
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May 17, 2024 12:09:08   #
jerryc41 wrote:
Blancolirio said that the initial problem (as reported by NTSB) was a crewman shutting off the wrong breakers. When breakers #1 tripped shortly afterwards, they switched them back on, and they soon tripped again. If they had switched on breakers #2, instead, this disaster might have been avoided. I might have a detail or two wrong, but that's the basic idea.


I think we have to separate the power loss at the dock caused by a crewman who was cleaning the particulate scrubber of the exhaust and inadvertently closed it, causing the generator that was running at the time to stop and the breaker to open, from the power failure while underway before the accident. Here’s the power diagram of the ship’s electrical system and the sequence of events:

1) while in transit at a course of ~140 deg with rudder amidship., running on electric generators DG3 and DG4 (DG2 was running but not connected), breakers HR1 and LR1 unexpectedly opened, stopping the main engine (lube and cooling pumps stopped.
2) the emergency generator came on line suppling lights and steering (but responding more slowly. Without power, the course had shifted south due to ~144 deg. Due to wind age and current.
3) the pilot ordered the rudder left 20 degrees and the GP crew reset breakers HRI and LR1
4) HR1 and LR1 tripped again and the crew closed the alternate breakers HR2 and LR2 and generator DG2 came on line, but it was too Late to restart the main engine (this all occurred in several minutes)
5) the pilot ordered full left rudder (35 degrees) and the anchor dropped, but it was too late to avoid the collision.

From what I can see, the crew did everything right - the question is why did HR1 and LR1 trip repeatedly? Bad transformer maybe?


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May 17, 2024 09:47:55   #
burkphoto wrote:
Yep. Always a good idea. Back in the early 1990s, at work, I had a generic PC with a tape drive backup. The tape drive didn't work, and the hard drive failed. I had to reconstruct a 324-page software manual I was writing — from a hard copy. I had to re-create all the screen shots and formatting. Grrrr! That was when the VP of finance decided we did need a central network server, after all. (He was a bit naive, to say the least.) We got our server, and all employees with computers had to use it for data backup. The server was backed up to DRIVES on a mirrored server at our other building, 500 yards away. We had optical fiber between the buildings. It was a weird setup, but we quit losing files due to crashes.
Yep. Always a good idea. Back in the early 1990s, ... (show quote)


That’s still a popular way to back up if the customer has 2 sites - each site mirrors to the other, typically in real time. With large data sets (such as hospital imaging) that change substantially daily, the conventional backup window at night often isn’t long enough.
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May 16, 2024 21:48:03   #
Settlit wrote:
At the risk of suggesting the obvious, after you install your new backup drive, test it the next day to see if it actually did backup what you’d asked it to backup. That should give you a pretty good idea if it is really doing the job you bought it for.


Excellent suggestion! Your backup is only as good as your restore - test it.
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May 16, 2024 19:26:36   #
niteman3d wrote:
This is one area where we'll agree. These arrived yesterday, BTW. New in box from trusted manufacturer and trusted seller at the best price I've found so far that meets all the criteria. If I had a redundant array of independent disks, I might consider used or refurb, since RAID is, well... redundant, right?


Sometimes…Google RAID 0
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May 16, 2024 16:29:06   #
srt101fan wrote:
Thanks for posting, Chris. Very interesting even if they don't have all the answers yet.


Interesting how redundant the electrical system is, yet failed. I wonder what the restart time is of the main engine, since that’s all that would have saved her. It was mentioned that the bow thruster was not useful at that speed and that the rudder, though operable, had little effect without propulsion against the wind and current.
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May 16, 2024 16:21:19   #
BebuLamar wrote:
The cost of extended support is likely to be very high. I think only companies would do that. People like us is much better off buying new computers.


Agree. Year 1 is $60, year 2 is $120, year 3 is $240. If I were facing this dilemma, I’d subscribe to a first line virus/malware/ransomware ap coupled with Malwarebytes to replace Windows Defender.
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