Photoshop Alternatives
Jul 1, 2019 19:47:40 #
A while back, Adobe allowed the user to exit Photoshop to re-enter Adobe Camera Raw to do further work there. When done, ACR then releases the user back to Photoshop. It all happens seamlessly, with no fuss.
Ysarex wrote:
Yes, b BUT /b Affinity's raw module processing t... (show quote)
Jul 1, 2019 19:52:15 #
it's worth repeating that Affinity's raw workflow is forced destructive.
Simple solution to this so called problem that I have used for years. Before editing at all, rename image, something like img. 0544A, and edit that file. Overdo something? Just delete the altered file and reopen the original.
did that long before LR was invented so it meant nothing to me.
Simple solution to this so called problem that I have used for years. Before editing at all, rename image, something like img. 0544A, and edit that file. Overdo something? Just delete the altered file and reopen the original.
did that long before LR was invented so it meant nothing to me.
Jul 1, 2019 19:54:24 #
Gene51 wrote:
If you want the most comprehensive photo editing s... (show quote)
What a condescending response! You should be ashamed of yourself.
Jul 1, 2019 19:55:10 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
anotherview wrote:
A while back, Adobe allowed the user to exit Photoshop to re-enter Adobe Camera Raw to do further work there. When done, ACR then releases the user back to Photoshop. It all happens seamlessly, with no fuss.
Yep, I noted that in my post -- ACR can send a smart object to PS. You're still in a pixel editor in PS and if you create a raster layer in PS you'll lose the ability to be 100% non-destructive and re-editable but it's still a move in the right direction.
Joe
Jul 1, 2019 19:57:17 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
Bill P wrote:
it's worth repeating that Affinity's raw workflow is forced destructive.
Simple solution to this so called problem that I have used for years. Before editing at all, rename image, something like img. 0544A, and edit that file. Overdo something? Just delete the altered file and reopen the original.
did that long before LR was invented so it meant nothing to me.
Simple solution to this so called problem that I have used for years. Before editing at all, rename image, something like img. 0544A, and edit that file. Overdo something? Just delete the altered file and reopen the original.
did that long before LR was invented so it meant nothing to me.
That's not what I meant. Affinity doesn't delete or alter your raw files. By destructive I mean it doesn't save your work and so you can't go back and pick up what you previously did -- you have to do the work over from scratch.
Joe
Jul 1, 2019 19:59:34 #
Collhar wrote:
If you don't use Adobe, "you are ok with accepting lower quality images" I do of course agree with you regarding Adobe. I just don't understand the harsh response.
Are you saying OnOne, or for that matter even Canon's own RAW program, can't do as good, if not a better job as Lightroom/Photoshop?
Jul 1, 2019 20:14:33 #
Jul 1, 2019 20:20:38 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
Ysarex wrote:
Yes, b BUT /b Affinity's raw module processing t... (show quote)
Exactly. That is why I suggested earlier that while it's an excellent editior in many respects, Affinity may not be the best choice for those of us who regularly shoot raw. For dedicated raw shooters the current best choices, also suggested by Gene51, and not in any order of preference or superiority are Lr/PS, Capture One Pro, DXO Photolab Elite, and ON1.
Jul 1, 2019 20:20:47 #
Ysarex wrote:
That's not what I meant. Affinity doesn't delete or alter your raw files. By destructive I mean it doesn't save your work and so you can't go back and pick up what you previously did -- you have to do the work over from scratch.
Joe
Joe
And I suggested a way to deal with that, if you find it a problem. If you're saying you cant abide having to go all the way back to the beginning rather than halfway, You have my deepest sympathies.
Jul 1, 2019 20:27:45 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
Bill P wrote:
And I suggested a way to deal with that, if you find it a problem.
No, you didn't. What you suggested has no bearing on the problem at all. It's not an overwrite problem it's a deliberate choice by Affinity not to save your work.
Joe
Bill P wrote:
If you're saying you cant abide having to go all the way back to the beginning rather than halfway, You have my deepest sympathies.
Jul 1, 2019 20:34:36 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
Bill P wrote:
And I suggested a way to deal with that, if you find it a problem. If you're saying you cant abide having to go all the way back to the beginning rather than halfway, You have my deepest sympathies.
If you've made considerable edits to your raw image in Affinity before moving to a different persona moving halfway back won't allow you to modify your original adjustments which is not acceptable to many of us. The ability to perform non destructive editing is just one of several reasons we shoot in raw. It's a fatal limitation that software better geared towards raw processing generally does not have. If you have a workaround that allows you to seemlessly make further adjustments to the raw image without losing the subsequent edits made in a different persona, I'd be curious how you accomplish that.
Jul 1, 2019 20:43:42 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
papakatz45 wrote:
Are you saying OnOne, or for that matter even Canon's own RAW program, can't do as good, if not a better job as Lightroom/Photoshop?
Canon's DPP is free and a very capable although a very functionally limited program. What it does, it does well, but it simply does not have the feature set to compete with Lightroom. The very capable ON1, which I occasionally use, does not convert raw files as well as Lightroom or ACR. In fact ON1 raw conversions are also not as good as those from DXO Photolab Elite or Capture One Pro, both of which I also use.
Jul 1, 2019 20:55:12 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
Bill P wrote:
it's worth repeating that Affinity's raw workflow is forced destructive.
Simple solution to this so called problem that I have used for years. Before editing at all, rename image, something like img. 0544A, and edit that file. Overdo something? Just delete the altered file and reopen the original.
did that long before LR was invented so it meant nothing to me.
Simple solution to this so called problem that I have used for years. Before editing at all, rename image, something like img. 0544A, and edit that file. Overdo something? Just delete the altered file and reopen the original.
did that long before LR was invented so it meant nothing to me.
That does not make the software non destructive. It just a work around to save the original unedited file, which isn't even necessary if your original file is raw. Saving the original in only one expectation of non destructive software. The ability to back out edits to any point in the edit process, at any time, forever, is another defining characteristc. Just how do you go back and modify the edits to your raw files? Do you shoot raw?
Jul 1, 2019 21:59:30 #
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Jul 1, 2019 23:00:30 #
Gene51 wrote:
If you want the most comprehensive photo editing s... (show quote)
Nice snippy response. You having a bad day?
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